Re: coercion/education

Eugene Matusov (ematusov who-is-at cats.ucsc.edu)
Sat, 20 Apr 1996 21:51:34 -0700

Hello Kathleen and everybody--

What a story! I feel sorry all students!

It is interesting that teacher often do not expect to learn from and to be
taught by his or her own students. Lave is right when she was saying that
teaching curriculum i.e, what the teacher tries to teach) is much less
important than learning curriculum (i.e., what students learn -- in this
case Kathleen, probably, learned to be careful and mistrustful in her
professors).

Eugene Matusov
UC Santa Cruz
At 08:00 PM 4/21/96 -0500, Kathleen A. Falconer wrote:
>Hello,
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> I usually lurk but something Jay Lemke said about
>"I've always found it very _hard_ to advocate this freedom,
>because adults really don't want to think about the possibility
>that the practices necessary to reproduce their values and
>culture may be morally unjustifiable in terms of those very
>values and culture."
>really touched a chord in me. When I did my B.Ed. at a small
>Canadian university about 1986, I took a general methods of
>education class. The professor in charge of the class advocated
>giving students choices in the curriculum, how it was taught,
>methods of evaluation, etc. The only problem was that we as
>students in the education program, who had already completed
>on Bachlors degree, were given no choice in the curriculum,
>no choice in how it was taught, and certianly no choice in
>methods of evaluation. I pointed out this difference between
>what was being said, and what was actually being done. To make
>the story short, I did very poorly grade wise in that class.
>I argreed with the need to take the course and curriculum,
>but probably would have made different choices if I had of had
>the freedom.
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> If student teachers can not be given the freedom, who do expect
>the students to be given freedom?
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>-Kathleen Falconer
>falconer who-is-at physics.purdue.edu
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Eugene Matusov
UC Santa Cruz