[Xmca-l] Re: Zagorsk and consciousness

[mike cole]

Hi Laura--

Yes, there is still a lot of interest from many directions in the Zagorsk
experiment. There are a couple of articles in Journal of Russian and East
European Psychology a few years ago critical of Mescheryakov,
I'lyenkov, Mikhailov and colleagues for exaggerating their claims about the
children's initial states. It has had a rocky history in the Post-Soviet
era.

If you visit  the lchc aubio using this link,
https://lchcautobio.ucsd.edu/polyphonic-autobiography/section-4/chapter-9/

it will take you to some helpful links.  Alexander Suvorov is alive and
well, last heard, and accessible by email.  Will wonders never cease.

mike

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 8:58 AM Laure Kloetzer <laure.kloetzer@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> Sorry to come back only now to this already old discussion, but I finally
> had the chance to watch the documentary Butterflies of Zagorsk and was
> wondering whether this line of teaching deaf-blind children was still
> active in Russia ? I couldn't find the answer, if it has been discussed
> before, in XMCA archives...
> Best regards to all,
> Laure Kloetzer
>
>
> Le lun. 9 mars 2020 à 00:44, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> a écrit :
>
>> Wagner, Peg et al -
>>
>> There are several films here:
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.google.com/search?q=suvorov*blind&oq=suvorov*blind&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.6615j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8__;Kys!!Mih3wA!RTusr16YwTnZopCfbrovu6bHoJFZPQqB6SeuoNYF2C-fVYU5BYQnsWNjN911lGATuEK8oQ$ 
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.google.com/search?q=suvorov*blind&oq=suvorov*blind&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.6615j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8__;Kys!!Mih3wA!VSna-a9MgWw2fjW-csBTyd6yTZnHXnDRgQ3ViCgEDQPhNbQugKUh1BcZrk3lXNowSiPzJA$>
>>
>>
>> I believe that if you write to him, Sasha Suvorov would be glad to help.
>> He has continued to be an active scholar/activist in the Putin era.
>> If you reach him, say hello. :-)
>> mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 4:22 PM Wagner Luiz Schmit <
>> wagner.schmit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have the Portuguese version, and it seems to be the only one
>>> available. The quality is very bad, you can't hear the dialogue sometimes,
>>> and the translation is bad to say the least. It is what I have been using
>>> in my classes in Brazil, but since it is dubbed in Portuguese I can't share
>>> it with non Portuguese speakers.
>>>
>>> Wagner
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020, 18:39 Tom Richardson <
>>> tom.richardson3@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wagner Luiz - not good quality and in Portugese ????
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x24gaj1__;!!Mih3wA!RTusr16YwTnZopCfbrovu6bHoJFZPQqB6SeuoNYF2C-fVYU5BYQnsWNjN911lGA9W1XFMw$ 
>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x24gaj1__;!!Mih3wA!VSna-a9MgWw2fjW-csBTyd6yTZnHXnDRgQ3ViCgEDQPhNbQugKUh1BcZrk3lXNqnFVa8Pw$>
>>>>
>>>> TomRichardson
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 at 15:00, Wagner Luiz Schmit <
>>>> wagner.schmit@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>> Did anybody else tried to replicate or something similar to the
>>>>> Meshcheryakov experiment at Zagorsk with deaf-blind children?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any description of the process of education of deaf-blind
>>>>> born children?
>>>>>
>>>>> And is there another discussion on the problem of consciousness in
>>>>> CHAT besides the works of Bakhurst and Mikhailov? Specially taking into
>>>>> account new discoveries in the field of neurology like those described in
>>>>> the book "The conscious instinct" by Michael Gazzaniga?
>>>>>
>>>>> And if anyone has the documentary "Butterflies of Zagorsk" by bbc in
>>>>> good quality, please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wagner
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Critique is essential to all democracy. Not only does democracy
>> require the freedom to criticize and need critical impulses. Democracy is
>> nothing less than defined by critique. T.Adorno
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>>
>>
>>

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