[Xmca-l] Re: My Hometown Minneapolis

[Anthony Barra]

I teach 8th grade English, and make lightly watched youtube videos.

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On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net> wrote:

> By the way, Anthony, I don’t think you’ve talked on this forum about your
> own body of work. Are you the Anthony Barra at UCLA who does work on
> magnetic fields? That’s the only Google Scholar profile that I can find.
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> Martin
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> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net> wrote:
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> Hey, Anthony, it was you who brought up Flyer’s work in the first place.
> There is, I think, no need to shift to an ad hominin argument. I too would
> like to know if you still consider Flyer’s analysis to be “groundbreaking.”
> It was published in 2016, and the Washington Post only started collecting
> data in 2015. What you wrote, in fact, was that Flyer's work was
> "groundbreaking at the time (though I don't know the very latest findings
> on the matter).”  What do you say about the critiques of that work, and the
> more recent findings?
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> Martin
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> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Yes, Greg.
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> I read all it all in depth 4 years ago (i.e., 4 years before this topic
> broached your radar).
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> Maybe one day we'll chat when I have faith it will be in good faith.
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> No offense, but it's just how your body of work comes across to me.
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> Anthony
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> On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Anthony,
>> Have you had a chance to dig into the Fryer data to see whether the
>> assumptions that he makes in controlling for variables are reasonable? And
>> whether he is justified in coming up with such a very different conclusion
>> from the Washington Post research that Martin cited (as well as most
>> other research that I've seen)?
>> In your original post, you characterized Fryer's study as
>> "groundbreaking" so I assume that you had your reasons for giving it such a
>> positive evaluation and felt it was sound in its reasoning and perhaps had
>> some kinds of insights that all the other researchers didn't. I'm
>> interested to hear what you've turned up.
>> Very best,
>> greg
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>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 1:31 PM Martin Packer <mpacker@cantab.net> wrote:
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>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic__;!!Mih3wA!UqcVmm7PtIEsRTzoar0yktRqOov2TR-lfmd9BHZdA3CW2bD4PVOJOuS8_ZD_zokKJabKBA$ 
>>> e-shootings-database/
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/__;!!Mih3wA!S2mWxWtYZXktNivc9GOaZzE8nQoqJ0TmLqnTuoEidjOQew2pZXQQZXmnKCt6MMPHQ4YmFA$>
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>>> In 2015, The Washington Post began to log every fatal shooting
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-year-end/__;!!Mih3wA!S2mWxWtYZXktNivc9GOaZzE8nQoqJ0TmLqnTuoEidjOQew2pZXQQZXmnKCt6MMPUoulQDQ$> by
>>> an on-duty police officer in the United States. In that time there have
>>> been more than 5,000 such shootings
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/09/what-weve-learned-about-police-shootings-years-after-ferguson/?arc404=true__;!!Mih3wA!S2mWxWtYZXktNivc9GOaZzE8nQoqJ0TmLqnTuoEidjOQew2pZXQQZXmnKCt6MMNSVXVYTg$> recorded
>>> by The Post….
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>>> Although half of the people shot and killed by police are white, black
>>> Americans are shot at a disproportionate rate
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/__;!!Mih3wA!S2mWxWtYZXktNivc9GOaZzE8nQoqJ0TmLqnTuoEidjOQew2pZXQQZXmnKCt6MMNVto8f_A$>.
>>> They account for less than 13 percent of the U.S. population, but are
>>> killed by police at more than twice the rate of white Americans. Hispanic
>>> Americans are also killed by police at a disproportionate rate.
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>>> Martin
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>>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>> Hi Michael,
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>>> Much of the claim rests in Roland Freyer's 2016 multivariate analysis,
>>> groundbreaking at the time (though I don't know the very latest findings on
>>> the matter): https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprisin__;!!Mih3wA!UqcVmm7PtIEsRTzoar0yktRqOov2TR-lfmd9BHZdA3CW2bD4PVOJOuS8_ZD_zokUz3X9cA$ 
>>> g-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-
>>> in-shootings.html
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html__;!!Mih3wA!S18nvB-bJf3z_eNSjHPT3rWUU-YDJmOewUS-_eVjP4nwhyrQvSiFE_5aqUIHnjG437QrnA$>
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>>>
>>> I believe Glenn Loury was once his advisor in graduate economics, though
>>> I could be mistaken there.
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>>> I respect this community and in no way seek to bring dis- or
>>> misinformation into it, especially on topics that may require numerous key
>>> strokes just to get one's footing.
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>>> Thank you for understanding, and I agree! Let's not argue.
>>>
>>> Anthony
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>>> On Sunday, June 7, 2020, Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Black men are 2.5 more likely to be killed by police than white men.
>>>> What makes this much, much worse is that most Black men are taught from
>>>> very early in life the dangers they face in dealing with police and have
>>>> strategies set for de-escalation. The first point you can get with a few
>>>> key strokes. The second point maybe you have to live in the U.S. for.
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>>>> I do not believe the Loury McWhorter argument is based on any well
>>>> founded social science.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> What I find difficult about this is that XMCA, whose earlier versions
>>>> was one of the earliest well-functioning communities is being use to
>>>> proliferate this type of information, or I would say misinformation. The
>>>> list has always run with minimalist moderation but I wonder if it is
>>>> possible in this day and age.
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>>>>
>>>> These are observations. I have no desire to argue about this with
>>>> anybody.
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael
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>>>> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.e
>>>> du> *On Behalf Of *Bill Kerr
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 7, 2020 3:59 AM
>>>> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>>> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: My Hometown Minneapolis
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> hi Anthony,
>>>>
>>>> I watched both videos.
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>>>>
>>>> Coleman Hughes argues that the Black Lives Matter movement is based on
>>>> a half truth. True that the police treat blacks worse. Not true that they
>>>> murder disproportionately more blacks than whites. The problem with the
>>>> police is corruption (not being independently investigated) not
>>>> disproportionate murder of black people.
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>>>>
>>>> Glen Loury and John McWhorter teach me the real history of American
>>>> race, that things have moved on, progress has been made since Lincoln and
>>>> MLKing, and the importance of identifying the real reasons of black
>>>> disadvantage, arising paradoxically from the 1960s, and not that racism is
>>>> the American DNA. eg. the meme that school is a white persons domain arose
>>>> in part from the bussing movement which gave many blacks a terrible school
>>>> experience.
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>>>> There are some parallels in Australia, eg. welfare dependency which is
>>>> one of the biggest if not the biggest problem for aboriginals here arose
>>>> from the chain events which followed from the 1967 referendum where they
>>>> were recognised at citizens for the first time. This led to equal pay which
>>>> led to aboriginal workers being sacked which led to welfare dependency
>>>> which led to grog which led to more black on black violence etc. This
>>>> history has been written, eg. by Peter Sutton, The Politics of Suffering,
>>>> but is still not widely understood.
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>>>> Thank you
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>>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 10:38 AM Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm hearing people talk of cabin fever and itchy scratchy restlessness,
>>>> and I think that is one unifying thing that almost everyone here can relate
>>>> to!  What a year so far.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> I promise, these two conversations are very interesting, for anyone
>>>> potentially curious:
>>>>
>>>> First, this one https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hWQmzgiKXQ__;!!Mih3wA!UqcVmm7PtIEsRTzoar0yktRqOov2TR-lfmd9BHZdA3CW2bD4PVOJOuS8_ZD_zolzjzfq2w$ 
>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hWQmzgiKXQ__;!!Mih3wA!XgM3_X1riF_AYwqfZ7zTT0dslCVEzwkmg1Kw-a63ReNKrqh653kZrirxQ_TR4yBatxTfPw$> featuring
>>>> Glenn Loury and John McWhorter -- piggybacking on the 1619 Project link
>>>> that Martin shared earlier today (thanks for sharing that)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and in my honest opinion, this is the single most down-the-middle
>>>> commentary on recent events in the US, via Coleman Hughes:
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://youtu.be/8C-VrsK93GE__;!!Mih3wA!UqcVmm7PtIEsRTzoar0yktRqOov2TR-lfmd9BHZdA3CW2bD4PVOJOuS8_ZD_zomkxk_rRw$ 
>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/youtu.be/8C-VrsK93GE__;!!Mih3wA!XgM3_X1riF_AYwqfZ7zTT0dslCVEzwkmg1Kw-a63ReNKrqh653kZrirxQ_TR4yB6mIcWCw$>
>>>>   (as least as far as I've yet encountered).  Coleman shares his
>>>> perspective as a protest attendee, and also much more than that.
>>>>
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>>>> Somewhat of a warning: there's a fair amount of pain expressed in these
>>>> videos, but not exactly conventional, as these commentaries do cut against
>>>> the headwinds a fair amount.
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>>>> Thank you,
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>>>>
>>>> Anthony
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>>>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 8:43 PM Annalisa Aguilar <annalisa@unm.edu>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> To the wonderful garden of Us and Them,
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure why I wrote that, it just seemed to come out. Like the
>>>> riot of expression that gobsmacked me as I saw this thread extending to 46,
>>>> including mine, though I know the tapestry is still weaving us and them
>>>> here and in the streets for a little while still.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To whoever said it, I don't think that it's that people don't like the
>>>> color of Trump's hair, but his orange-ness, which makes it so strange for
>>>> him to promote white supremacy. An black star enigma surrounded by a riddle
>>>> small waving hands wrapped in a spray tan. It should be orange supremacy,
>>>> shouldn't it?
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>>>> I also wanted to offer, for those of us who organize peaceful protest,
>>>> we must also have a bullet-proof strategy (pun intended) to counter
>>>> violently-intentioned infiltrators. This strategy must have enough cheeky
>>>> chutzpah to bend the myth that peaceful protesters are namby-pambies with
>>>> flowers in their hair. Does this exist? Has it been designed?
>>>>
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>>>> I have seen people yell down a few no-nos running about by yelling in
>>>> unison NO VIOLENCE! NO VIOLENCE! It worked.
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>>>> NO Vi-Oh-LENCE!
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>>>> Perhaps it has to do with spacing and cadence, something David might
>>>> appreciate.
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>>>> We learn violence, and then we must unlearn it. Violence is an act of
>>>> desperation once enough people feel disrespected, if even the number is
>>>> just one.
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>>>> Of course my suggestion may not be the best possible, but I wonder if
>>>> there is such an on-the-ground ad hoc strategy for aikido maneuvers by
>>>> peaceful protesters to differentiate themselves from chaotic pretenders and
>>>> the police who need them to be pretending chaotically, so they can
>>>> rationalize their dear riot gear.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Now the antifa, on the other hand, have a wonderful moniker, sly and
>>>> clever how it doesn't weave "fascism" into it fully, the way it is
>>>> referential in function, like if I were to say, "Don't think of an elepha."
>>>> They are like crouching tigers and hidden dragons, black ninjas who
>>>> architect surprise. It's almost performance art. At the same time like
>>>> watching a pincer move, in action with peaceful protesters, It's a
>>>> beautiful think. Cornell West wrote recently in the Guardian that if the
>>>> antifa were not present in Charlottesville he may have been killed. So I
>>>> wondered about that coupling of forces. Is that what appears to be
>>>> solidifying in the rhythms of the recent protests? What do other's think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't speak to the looting, as I would never ever do it. I remember
>>>> coming across the concept or looting when I was challenged by my friends in
>>>> 7th grade to read all of Gone With the Wind. And that they shot and killed
>>>> looters on the spot. I supposed that concept too has gone out the window.
>>>> Not that I'd want to see that mind you, but it is punny.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There were curfews for a few days, but it's been lifted as of a few
>>>> nights back. As I am writing this I am hearing helicopters circling. This
>>>> morning I drove down a street with many business having their windows
>>>> boarded up. There were no people rioting or anything like that. I think
>>>> these folks are fearful of having their plate glass windows smashed in the
>>>> night by a fictitious rioting hurricane, that will just not happen on that
>>>> street. But then there is no way to see into those shops now. I thought
>>>> maybe they are just duck-and-covering under all that plywood. Is anyone in
>>>> there?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also saw someone had spray painted the words in black drippy spray
>>>> paint on a white sheet. "White Silence is Violence" and this was hanging in
>>>> a gentrified neighborhood. It seemed the perfect place to hang it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also wanted to ask the list whether it is only racism that we are
>>>> protesting?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There was a tech who came to install my internet today. He is African
>>>> American. I asked him, "Did you hear about all the protests all over the
>>>> world? When I heard about it I started crying." To which he said, "Yeah,
>>>> well but what about the other two guys that were killed? I think all those
>>>> people came out because being shut in they just have nothing better to do."
>>>> I said, "Well I understand that's a cynical way to look at it, but maybe
>>>> it's a sign that something is going to change." He said, "Yeah, maybe it
>>>> will." And I said, "Let's remain hopeful."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I really appreciated that exchange. Together he and I made an
>>>> interesting dyad of viewpoints about what is actually going on here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My own consciousness about race is exposed here, but I thought the
>>>> entire point of racism is to reduce people to a construct that is somehow
>>>> built upon genetic features, like skin color, and then to layer that with
>>>> this color is better than that one, and even to dehumanize one color from
>>>> another, ir I should say to create a spectrum of dehumanization, light to
>>>> heavy.
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>>>> Then I thought also that the point is to Eracism, not to perpetuate
>>>> more of it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My next thought was about people with disabilities. They are likely far
>>>> more oppressed than any other vulnerable group. I don't think we could ever
>>>> fathom disabled folks rioting in the streets for being killed in many ways
>>>> the the disabled are, or who have their lives reduced by being
>>>> institutionalized because of the bodies in which they were born.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The same might be said about the seriously mentally ill. As a mental
>>>> exercise take any oppressed group and fill that space.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was following the bead of this comparison in my mind to think about
>>>> how would inclusivity of the disabled in protest be provided in a time like
>>>> now? (Give we are making room for kids to protest?) Or are the disabled
>>>> even left behind while everyone else has the privilege to protest?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The only thing I feel might be a conclusion is that we fight for human
>>>> rights and for non-violence, but also for inclusivity and our innate right
>>>> to love one another.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That everyone every single one of us matters. When every single one of
>>>> us matters, there is no need to distinguish favorites, up or down, left or
>>>> right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That day is not here yet because only some of us matters, and some of
>>>> us doesn't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not big on Biden, but he is one of the first mainstreamers to
>>>> vocalize that we have an open wound that needs dressing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then I thought how Biden has the privilege of saying that outright
>>>> where Obama was not. My memory might be incorrect, however, it was only
>>>> until Fergusen that Obama came out to speak but only in a very circumspect
>>>> tone, if only that he could not be bridled as an angry black man.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wondered if anyone might present an imagination of what positive
>>>> change might develop out of all of this, if you are able to shush the
>>>> cynic-within.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or is my cable internet guy right? The protests are just a holiday, a
>>>> way to get out of the house because too many of us have cabin fever.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you all in advance for your contributions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Annalisa
>>>>
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>>>> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <
>>>> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
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>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> Department of Anthropology
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>> Brigham Young University
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