[Xmca-l] Re: Philosophie des Geistes?

Andy Blunden andyb@marxists.org
Thu Jul 23 04:16:07 PDT 2020


No, don't turn it around. The point is that organs are 
subordinate parts of the whole organism. The emotion /is/ 
the state of a whole organism, in particular, a mental 
state. Like a hand expresses a feeling when we wave to someone.

andy

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On 23/07/2020 8:55 pm, David Kellogg wrote:
> Thanks, Andy--this is it!
>
> "In physiology the viscera and the organs are treated 
> merely as parts subservient to the animal organism; but 
> they form at the same time a physical system for the 
> expression of mental states, and in this way they get 
> quite another interpretation."
>
> The only problem is the word "expression". In the 
> James-Lange theory, the mental states are the expression 
> of the viscera and the organs. But perhaps that's what 
> Hegel really means here: the viscera and organs are a 
> system that expresses a state which we interpret as an 
> emotion.
>
> (I remember a dear friend of mine getting a messy divorce 
> and remarking, when I worried that he was losing a lot of 
> weight, that it wasn't his heart that was broken but his 
> stomach....)
>
>
> David Kellogg
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> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:19 PM Andy Blunden 
> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>
>     If you're interested in s. 401, then you'll probably
>     be interested in 402 as well.
>
>     One other possibility: The "official" way of citing
>     Hegel nowadays is to cite the page no. in the
>     authoritative version of /Hegel Werke/. The German
>     word for "page" is /Seite/, so you would say "S. 401"
>     of the /Enc/, This turns out also to be an interesting
>     passage of the Subjective Spirit, on
>     Self-consciousness, concerned with the infamous
>     Master-Slave dialectic, though in a much reduced form,
>     not like in the /Phenomenology of Spirit/.
>
>     See p. 401 in the other attachment, ENZYKl3.PDF, in
>     German. English translation is here:
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>     Andy
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>     On 23/07/2020 5:47 pm, Andy Blunden wrote:
>>
>>     The Philosophy of Spirit is the Third Part of the
>>     Encyclopaedia, itself composed of three parts:
>>
>>       * Subjective Spirit, which is commonly taken as
>>         Psychology
>>       * Objective Spirit, which is commonly taken as
>>         Social Theory, and
>>       * Absolute Spirit, which covers Art, religion,
>>         Science and Philosophy.
>>
>>     The Encyclopaedia has numbered paragraphs. These do
>>     vary between 2 or  editions, but these will be
>>     limited probably by those translated into English,
>>
>>     I would start with the 1930 version"
>>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sp/susoul.htm*SU401__;Iw!!Mih3wA!W1x0zBm8fkXksY2M64OKgpNL_TPx1e8eTQyWJEtxUBueZNW1leqHSuR9yBEWIW_y7WQiTw$ 
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>>     - a very early stage in the development of mental
>>     life, or.
>>
>>     The 1817 version has
>>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sp/sspirit.htm*SS399__;Iw!!Mih3wA!W1x0zBm8fkXksY2M64OKgpNL_TPx1e8eTQyWJEtxUBueZNW1leqHSuR9yBEWIW9asY3mNw$ 
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>>     - this version puts s. 401 at the beginning of a
>>     version of Objective Spirit.
>>
>>     The 1830 one, above, has a long Note to it written by
>>     his students on the basis of Hegel's lectures which
>>     is a long discourse on the development of thinking
>>     from sensation. I am thinking this is what you mean.
>>     I will photocopy it and send it on.
>>
>>     Andy
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>>     On 23/07/2020 5:09 pm, David Kellogg wrote:
>>>     We are trying to turn Vygotsky's "Teaching on
>>>     Emotion" into one of those cartoon books that are so
>>>     popular here in Korea (e.g. the "Why?" series). It's
>>>     not Vygotsky for dummies, but it will have a lot of
>>>     pictures with questions and answers alongside
>>>     Vygotsky's rather difficult text.
>>>
>>>     We've got to figure out the text first. For example,
>>>     what does John Dewey mean when he says:
>>>
>>>     "On the historical side, it may be worth noting that
>>>     a crude anticipation of James' theory is found in
>>>     Hegel's Philosophie des Geistes, 401."?
>>>
>>>     Did Hegel ever write a Philosophie des Geistes? If
>>>     so, does the number refer to a page number or a
>>>     section or what?
>>>
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>>>     David Kellogg
>>>     Sangmyung University
>>>
>>>     New Article: Ruqaiya Hasan, in memoriam: A manual
>>>     and a manifesto.
>>>     Outlines, Spring 2020
>>>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tidsskrift.dk/outlines/article/view/116238__;!!Mih3wA!W1x0zBm8fkXksY2M64OKgpNL_TPx1e8eTQyWJEtxUBueZNW1leqHSuR9yBEWIW_iU8dolQ$ 
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>>>     Vygotsky's Pedological Works/ /Volume One:
>>>     Foundations of Pedology/"
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