[Xmca-l] Re: Philosophie des Geistes?
Andy Blunden
andyb@marxists.org
Thu Jul 23 04:16:07 PDT 2020
No, don't turn it around. The point is that organs are
subordinate parts of the whole organism. The emotion /is/
the state of a whole organism, in particular, a mental
state. Like a hand expresses a feeling when we wave to someone.
andy
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On 23/07/2020 8:55 pm, David Kellogg wrote:
> Thanks, Andy--this is it!
>
> "In physiology the viscera and the organs are treated
> merely as parts subservient to the animal organism; but
> they form at the same time a physical system for the
> expression of mental states, and in this way they get
> quite another interpretation."
>
> The only problem is the word "expression". In the
> James-Lange theory, the mental states are the expression
> of the viscera and the organs. But perhaps that's what
> Hegel really means here: the viscera and organs are a
> system that expresses a state which we interpret as an
> emotion.
>
> (I remember a dear friend of mine getting a messy divorce
> and remarking, when I worried that he was losing a lot of
> weight, that it wasn't his heart that was broken but his
> stomach....)
>
>
> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
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> Pedological Works/ /Volume One: Foundations of Pedology/"
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>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:19 PM Andy Blunden
> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>
> If you're interested in s. 401, then you'll probably
> be interested in 402 as well.
>
> One other possibility: The "official" way of citing
> Hegel nowadays is to cite the page no. in the
> authoritative version of /Hegel Werke/. The German
> word for "page" is /Seite/, so you would say "S. 401"
> of the /Enc/, This turns out also to be an interesting
> passage of the Subjective Spirit, on
> Self-consciousness, concerned with the infamous
> Master-Slave dialectic, though in a much reduced form,
> not like in the /Phenomenology of Spirit/.
>
> See p. 401 in the other attachment, ENZYKl3.PDF, in
> German. English translation is here:
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> Andy
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> On 23/07/2020 5:47 pm, Andy Blunden wrote:
>>
>> The Philosophy of Spirit is the Third Part of the
>> Encyclopaedia, itself composed of three parts:
>>
>> * Subjective Spirit, which is commonly taken as
>> Psychology
>> * Objective Spirit, which is commonly taken as
>> Social Theory, and
>> * Absolute Spirit, which covers Art, religion,
>> Science and Philosophy.
>>
>> The Encyclopaedia has numbered paragraphs. These do
>> vary between 2 or editions, but these will be
>> limited probably by those translated into English,
>>
>> I would start with the 1930 version"
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sp/susoul.htm*SU401__;Iw!!Mih3wA!W1x0zBm8fkXksY2M64OKgpNL_TPx1e8eTQyWJEtxUBueZNW1leqHSuR9yBEWIW_y7WQiTw$
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sp/susoul.htm*SU401__;Iw!!Mih3wA!UcUFXSCRfRh-5aW0-7m25WJ_9mWTvjd1a6nOCEuF7RAbpt35sEPbx38XfvY3Rj0va8zujw$>
>> - a very early stage in the development of mental
>> life, or.
>>
>> The 1817 version has
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sp/sspirit.htm*SS399__;Iw!!Mih3wA!W1x0zBm8fkXksY2M64OKgpNL_TPx1e8eTQyWJEtxUBueZNW1leqHSuR9yBEWIW9asY3mNw$
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>> - this version puts s. 401 at the beginning of a
>> version of Objective Spirit.
>>
>> The 1830 one, above, has a long Note to it written by
>> his students on the basis of Hegel's lectures which
>> is a long discourse on the development of thinking
>> from sensation. I am thinking this is what you mean.
>> I will photocopy it and send it on.
>>
>> Andy
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>> On 23/07/2020 5:09 pm, David Kellogg wrote:
>>> We are trying to turn Vygotsky's "Teaching on
>>> Emotion" into one of those cartoon books that are so
>>> popular here in Korea (e.g. the "Why?" series). It's
>>> not Vygotsky for dummies, but it will have a lot of
>>> pictures with questions and answers alongside
>>> Vygotsky's rather difficult text.
>>>
>>> We've got to figure out the text first. For example,
>>> what does John Dewey mean when he says:
>>>
>>> "On the historical side, it may be worth noting that
>>> a crude anticipation of James' theory is found in
>>> Hegel's Philosophie des Geistes, 401."?
>>>
>>> Did Hegel ever write a Philosophie des Geistes? If
>>> so, does the number refer to a page number or a
>>> section or what?
>>>
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://brocku.ca/MeadProject/Dewey/Dewey_1895.html__;!!Mih3wA!W1x0zBm8fkXksY2M64OKgpNL_TPx1e8eTQyWJEtxUBueZNW1leqHSuR9yBEWIW9omqCYrg$
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>>>
>>> David Kellogg
>>> Sangmyung University
>>>
>>> New Article: Ruqaiya Hasan, in memoriam: A manual
>>> and a manifesto.
>>> Outlines, Spring 2020
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tidsskrift.dk/outlines/article/view/116238__;!!Mih3wA!W1x0zBm8fkXksY2M64OKgpNL_TPx1e8eTQyWJEtxUBueZNW1leqHSuR9yBEWIW_iU8dolQ$
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>>> New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: /L.S.
>>> Vygotsky's Pedological Works/ /Volume One:
>>> Foundations of Pedology/"
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270__;!!Mih3wA!W1x0zBm8fkXksY2M64OKgpNL_TPx1e8eTQyWJEtxUBueZNW1leqHSuR9yBEWIW9osLhECw$
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