[Xmca-l] Re: General check-in

Sun Apr 12 01:26:26 PDT 2020

Hi Elizabeth,

I agree with Greg. Please share more about your work with students, where
you are and the context of your work. I am also training clinical
psychology students, and incorporated social therapy (and Vygotsky and
Marx) into my lecturing and practicum on post-modern psychotherapies and
group psychotherapy. Some students really pick up on the social side of
therapy practices. I would love to collaborate and share.

Annalie

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Subject: [Xmca-l] General check-in

Hello Annalie - I am thinking about this question a lot also: "how we can
change psychotherapies to be social and revolutionary so that patients can
insist that people in their worlds change with them?" Many of the graduate
students that I supervise on their psychotherapy cases feel an ongoing
pull in this direction, and we talk and write about it often, but it often
feels hard to get traction around instantiating it in our work, even as
the in-house clinic within our department is very flexible and open to
many different explorations. 

I am listening with you. 

Elizabeth 

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 10:01 AM Annalie Pistorius
<annalie.pistorius@smu.ac.za <mailto:annalie.pistorius@smu.ac.za> > wrote:

Hi im still here with you. Sitting together is something to do. Our
university had shut down before the lockdown here in South Africa - our
students and SRC being medical students have taken charge the way they
usually do. I must say they always impress me, how they can manoeuvre all
staff when there is a leadership crisis. However now with the Corona world
crisis, I am impressed how everyone here including our leaders stand firm
and together, herding us and being giving to poor communities. 

I watch BBC world news almost every day, and was impressed to see that
even in Cape Town our gang members have started using their leadership to
organise and direct the handing out of food parcels to their community
members. Of cause, not everyone is seeing all of this as positive as I am
painting it here.

I am reminded of the bitter sweetness of the situation, by my patient
(with whom I am doing psychotherapy sessions on my cell phone at a very
high cost, don't ask me why not on internet), that his problem of stress,
headaches and severe depression is dissolving because he is not at work.
No-one shouting into his ears, the voices of critique fading.Now what
should be done so that when he goes back his problem continues to
dissolve?

Is this our moment to build onto? - how we can change psychotherapies to
be social and revolutionary so that patients can insist that people in
their worlds change with them? 

That's why I am here listening.

Greetings

Annalie 

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The list of xmca members is indeed long! Here is a link to the list:
http://lchc-resources.org/xmca/subscriber_list.php 

Alfredo

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Date: Friday, 10 April 2020 at 22:11
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Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: General check-in?

This is a gracefully written New Yorker-worthy piece of dark dystopian
fiction.  I would like to start up the whole Utopia discussion again,
which I never felt clamped its teeth down hard enough.Thanks, David. 

I am seeing responses from David Kellogg, Peg Griffin,  Mike Cole, Greg
Thompson, Rein Raud in Estonia, David Kirshner, Ed Wall, Henry Shoner,
Andy Blunden, Martin Packer in Bogota, Richard Beach - who did I miss?
There are more of us out there. I worry about Haydi in Iran.

I am swamped with Zoom, telephone and email.  Rather than clog up this
list I'll re-visit my blog (below) just in case anyone reads it - this is
with regards to the price of vegetables, David Kellogg.  

Other than that: the book about contingency goes back through 4 past
transitions in higher education: standardization (Carnegie, SATs etc);
expansion (the GI bill); the Movement era (civil rights, 1968, etc) and
then the neoliberal contraction, for which the explosion of contingency
(no job security/no academic freedom, crap wages) was a solution to a set
of interlocking administrative problems. WE then go into a lot of detail
about what organizing unions for faculty and campus workers in higher
education is like. Thanks for asking, David.

I'm doing Zoom piano lessons for grandchildren, in hopes that they will
come out of this with at least one skill that is useful to humanity. Also
working with DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) to lead reading groups
about the recent wave of teacher strikes. Still owe Andy a review of his
Hegel book; thanks for uploading the difference between Hegel and Marx
paper, Andy. 

There are still some more xmca-ers out there that haven't checked in.

Helena Worthen

21 San MAteo Road, Berkeley 94707

510-828-2745

helenaworthen.wordpress.com <http://helenaworthen.wordpress.com> 

On Apr 10, 2020, at 12:39 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu
<mailto:mcole@ucsd.edu> > wrote:

The new samizdat, David?

mike

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:31 AM David H Kirshner <dkirsh@lsu.edu
<mailto:dkirsh@lsu.edu> > wrote:

Here's a fictional reminder of what more may be at stake in the current
political era.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/06/love-letter

David

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Henry,

Only thing I know for sure about any bill is this: If it doesn't serve
well the top 1%, then McConnell won't have it come to the floor for a vote
in the Senate, so many reasonably good bills are never enacted and no
Senator or President need be held accountable about their opposition.

But, what I know about intersectional groups in the past few years is that
we have to reach out in any and all ways possible to be sure we do not
step on each other's messages, actions, and needs, and to be sure we have
ways of getting and giving timely support as allies.

It sounds wimpy for a bumper sticker, but I wish I had one that said
"Protect Fragile Solidarity!"  

I think we may be inching in that awkward direction though: SPLC has
normalized the bumper sticker, "Restore the Vote."

Peg

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Peg,

I really don't know anymore about life on the Rez now than what I read on
line, what I have heard on Native America Calling on our local public
radio station KUNM and what I hear from my Navajo Family near Shiprock. So
far, no one in my family there is sick. I have no insider information that
might help pull the right strings in DC. Deb Haaland sends out regular
bulletins describing what she is doing to benefit all New Mexicans, no
specific mention of what's happening on the Navajo. You know more about
the bills than I do! 

Henry

On Apr 9, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Peg Griffin, Ph.D. <Peg.Griffin@att.net
<mailto:Peg.Griffin@att.net> > wrote:

Henry, may I ask you to discuss Co-Vid 19 in the Navajo Nation? From news
reports the Nation seems to be proactive, trying new and old ways of
proceeding. But, in comparison to nearby states, more and deeper problems
faced with fewer and less stable resources?  DC got robbed in the second
bailout bill - way underfunded.  Plans are getting formed and deformed
about pushing for fixes in the next bill (now in messes in both House and
Senate). Do you know if there are any Navajo plans that DC folk  can
support,  maybe learn from (or at least stop from inadvertently stepping
on?)  Is staff in Deb Haaland's office in the HOB a good place to try to
find out or .?

A good fantasy about November, Henry.  Somehow, it reminds me of the early
days in the Fifth Dimension. The children engaged in transformational
journeys, taking their avatars through rooms in a table top maze, choosing
which of several openings they would use as entry and eventual exit,
choosing which of different tasks in the room to do (harder tasks coupled
with more choice over which exits from room they could use), collaborating
with peers and lovely Big Sisters and Brothers, and there was always the
Wizard -guardian or trickster or sometimes asleep at the wheel.  At an
exit, avatars transformed and children went to the creature store to pick
the token of the transformation to travel with if they chose to enter the
5th D again.  

But there was also a different world with university and public school
calendars and rites of passage. At times for seams important to that
world, the children got shirts screen-printed with words ranging from "I
conquered the 5thdimension" "I barely survived the 5th Dimension" "I
almost survived the 5th Dimension" and so on "I'm in the middle. "I'm just
starting." A child reviewed the prior period of time, negotiating which
words would be on their shirt.  (Of all the weird things in the 5th D,
Mike laughs best about the carefully differentiated shirts.)

So, how about you and I in the here(s) and now(s)? We make choice after
choice after choice and work hard at enough to transform the current
elected officials to try to choose better creatures as we exit this
iteration of a government and enter again for choices and tasks in the
next iteration.  Concurrently, we have to keep our eye on the prize of the
CoVid 19  pandemic world and survival in it.

BTW, I do live inside the Beltway - 12 blocks north and east of Union
Station. The museums, the food, and the HOBs (House Office Buildings) - as
well as the SOBs across the capitol park - all nearby, familiar sites of
camaraderie for efforts, some successful and some not so much.  

Peg

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I was born at Mercy Hospital in Washington DC. Do you actually live inside
the Beltway? Great museums there and food. Scads of family from both
Judy's and my side. One of the last times I visited there, I went to
Michelle's office: She was our representative at the time. She gets
around. 

I have this fantasy brought on by the pandemic and New Mexico's Blue
(Democratic) sweep in 2018 that brought us three kick-ass women: Governor
Michelle...Representative Deborah Halland for Albuquerque and surrounds
where we live (I canvassed for her in the primary!).and Representative
Xochi Small to the south. All Democrats. The fantasy is that these
historic times, this perizhvanie, this Lev budding, will bear fruit in
November that gets us through another narrow place. And we will celebrate.
Fitting that Passover is tonight, a celebration of liberation from
slavery, and a time when we recognize that we are all really strangers,
wherever we live. 

Yikes! Talk about Biblical dialect! It's as catching as that Corona bug! 

Must stay well

Henry

On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Peg Griffin, Ph.D. <
<mailto:Peg.Griffin@att.net> Peg.Griffin@att.net> wrote:

I live in Washington, DC, Henry, but my roots here are by way of LCHC in
San Diego which begot xlchc which begot xmca.  Don't know why I switched
into a biblical dialect, but not hallucinations, just whimsy. And a little
tired this evening. 

Did you notice how my motif in my last post turned unto motive when I sent
it?  I think it was Leonti'ev sneaking in.

The description of your mask seems dashing! Could Judy have alternative
(or ulterior) motive (or motif)?

Hmmm, just recognized the 5th Dimension wanting into the lineage recital.
Still no hallucination just a few sips  of a nice Tuscan blend.

Peg

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Hey Peg!

Yes, I will tell Governor Michelle you're rooting for her from where you
and yours are at! Please forgive my senior moment, but where do YOU live? 

My wife Judy figured out how to make a mask from a bandana and two hair
ties. Like I'm ready to rob the stage coach, full of ppe (personal
protective equipment).:) I saw a cartoon of Trump and his underlings at
one of his you-can't-make-it-up briefings. They are wearing masks that
cover nose and mouth. Trump has a Lone Ranger mask. Here's a link for
those short on Americana:

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terest.com%2Frobertharmon311%2Flone-ranger-mask-patterns-for-save-ranger-c
halleng%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cdkirsh%40lsu.edu%7Ca1af4d5a01a84f5cb4ef08d7dd705
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ve-ranger-challeng/

Stay safe and well!

Henry

On Apr 8, 2020, at 11:27 AM, Peg Griffin, Ph.D. <
<mailto:Peg.Griffin@att.net> Peg.Griffin@att.net> wrote:

Henry, please tell your governor/friend, Michelle Lujan Grisham, "We see
her, we hear her, we love her, and we know we need her."

Groups here that made good use of allies before the pandemic are making
good, well-planned use of us now, especially for those in the shadows, by
necessity or oversight, to address basic food and medical insecurity. 

And thank you, too, Henry and others on xmca.

Relatively healthy (AKA no Co-vid19 that we know of and well masked - my
favorite right now is an easily washed and bleached homemade one with a
blue lamb motive - anyone need a pdf for making adult or child masks, with
or without hepa-filters?) and safe,

Peg

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Hi All,

Like Greg, I was struck by Andy's sense that China may go back to "normal"
but the neo-liberal "first" world is and will be experiencing a profound
perizhvanie. You'd hope it will be for the good.

In the U.S,, generally, rates of infection are positively correlated with
density of population. For example, I live in New Mexico, the fifth
largest state in the U.S. with a population of a little over a one million
and the lowest rate of infection.so far. However, our Navajo live spread
out to the west and north of us, but have very high rates of infection.
Little Zia Pueblo, just an our by car to the north and west of us, only
has about a thousand people, with eleven confirmed cases. Poverty. In the
country as a whole people of color have relatively higher rates of
infection. Poverty.

Our governor, Michelle Lujan Grisham (who I am proud to say is a good
friend), has been successful in pushing baci against Trump's efforts to
punish states that did not vote for him by being less than cooperative in
providing resources against the pandemic. She has been using her bully
pulpit against Trump's bloviating. His hot air has got to be an infectious
agent. Most of us are using masks in public, evidence indicating that it
protects OTHERS by wearing them. Trump prefers NOT to wear a mask.
Consistent with his politics. You can't make this up.

Be well,

Henry

On Apr 8, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Greg Thompson <
<mailto:greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> wrote:

David,

I wonder if you could say more about your experience of the state-based
"surveillance" in SK. There are lots of different groups in the U.S., both
on the left and the right, who are up in arms about the "tracking" of
citizens via credit card and cell phone usage.

And it sounds like this is a global concern as Mary's report from SA
suggests.

Also how interesting how similar the conspiracy theories are around the
globe (globalization and the spread of viral ideas?). That's world
perezhivanie indeed!

-greg

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:08 PM David Kellogg <
<mailto:dkellogg60@gmail.com> dkellogg60@gmail.com> wrote:

Helena--

Situation in China, courtesy my sister-in-law: life in Beijing is pretty
much back to normal at least on the face of it. People are going out to
their work units (but there is more work from home than before the
crisis). Classes still largely taught from ZOOM. My nephew is in Shanghai,
where the situation is somewhat tighter (proximity to Wuhan). Wuhan opened
up for real yesterday--people can leave (I lived there for two years in
the mid-eighties, but I can barely recognize what I see on the news
now....) I have students in Chengdu (who attend my class via ZOOM). People
are mostly shopping on line with delivery to the gate of the housing unit
rather than to their flat (as we do here in Korea). Air quality better
than it's been in decades.

Situation here in South Korea: We just extended our lockdown for another
two weeks. This is in response to a few days of new infections over a
hundred, but the infections are mostly (80%) Koreans from the US and
Europe who want to live in a place where the medical system has not broken
down or is not in the process of breaking down. There are still some
"hotspots" of community transmission, but these are almost all connected
with churches or PC cafes. Schools reopen on the 16th, but only online. We
have elections in a week, and there is a lot of campaigning going on,
including the usual street based campaigning (the right wing opposition
campaigns around the curious notion that the government has done
absolutely nothing, and the government ignores everybody who is not an
actual virus). People shop in stores, and there is no panic buying or
disruption of supply chains. The main changes in economic life seem to
have to do with transport, and it seems like this too will be permanent
(electric scooters are everywhere now). Bowing instead of shaking hands is
really not a bad idea, and coffee-shops always were over-rated and
over-priced.... 

But what about you, Helena? (One of the things I have learned on this list
is that you get more or less what you give--people tend to use what you
write as a model for writing back!) Are you still in Vietnam? Your address
says Berkeley and your email says Illinois--those are three very different
venues for the virus and the economy. Can you give us a brief account of
the situation in each?

Stay safe, wherever you are!

David Kellogg

Sangmyung University

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On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:30 AM Martin Packer < <mailto:mpacker@cantab.net>
mpacker@cantab.net> wrote:

Hi Helena,

I share your concerns. And, despite its challenges, this situation seems a
great opportunity to apply our distributed expertise(s). I tried to get
some discussion going in a group concerned with the Anthropocene, but
people seemed disinclined.

Martin

Here's the first message that I sent.

The current situation is producing important evidence about the probable
consequences of the strategies proposed to mitigate climate change.
Satellites are showing significant reductions in pollution:

<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spa
ce.com%2Fitaly-coronavirus-outbreak-response-reduces-emissions-satellite-i
mages.html&data=02%7C01%7Cdkirsh%40lsu.edu%7Ca1af4d5a01a84f5cb4ef08d7dd705
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https://www.space.com/italy-coronavirus-outbreak-response-reduces-emission
s-satellite-images.html

Experts are suggesting that as a result the coronavirus may save more
lives than it takes:

<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.for
bes.com%2Fsites%2Fjeffmcmahon%2F2020%2F03%2F11%2Fcoronavirus-lockdown-may-
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ay-save-more-lives-from-pollution-and-climate-than-from-virus/#4a39bb3c576
4

So when skeptics ask "How can you know that reducing air travel will help
with climate change?" there is now clear evidence with which to answer
them.

Also in China:

<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr
.org%2Fsections%2Fgoatsandsoda%2F2020%2F03%2F04%2F811019032%2Fwhy-chinas-a
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40lsu.edu%7Ca1af4d5a01a84f5cb4ef08d7dd705206%7C2d4dad3f50ae47d983a09ae2b1f
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https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/04/811019032/why-chinas-
air-has-been-cleaner-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak

At the same time, I am starting to wonder whether the current health
guidelines regarding coronvirus are culturally biased. Can they work in
'collectivist' cultures (to use the shorthand)? The CDC guidelines, for
example, include the recommendations to "Stay home when you are sick," but
also that other members of the household should "Avoid close contact with
people who are sick" and should "Choose a room in your home that can be
used to separate sick household members from those who are healthy.
Identify a separate bathroom for the sick person to use, if possible."  

This advice is simply not practicable for many households in Colombia.
There are not enough rooms; there is no second bathroom. In addition, many
infants and young children here are cared for by grandparents, or even
great-grandparents (many women here have a baby when young, so an infant
may have a grandmother who is in her late 30s and a great-grandmother in
her late 50s). The evidence shows that children don't become very ill, but
they do get infected and they can infect other people, among whom elderly
caregivers will be the most at risk.

So I don't think social distance and auto-quarantine will work in
Colombia. Consider what the Chinese did: they went door-to-door to
identify infected family members and removed them to massive collective
quarantine setttings. People in the West considered this to be draconian,
even cruel. But it made sense: much more cross-infection occurred in
Chinese homes than in places like restaurants. 

Unless the authorities can come up with strategies that are more
appropriate to local circumstances and practices, there is likely to be a
rapid and elevated peak of infections in Latin American countries.

And I see there is a related point here, on ageism: 

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On Apr 7, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Helena Worthen <
<mailto:helenaworthen@gmail.com> helenaworthen@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello, XMCA-ers -

I don't remember ever having read that this list was going to shut down or
even be allowed to fade away. So now I'm writing, as if in the dark, to
the whole list.  We've now got a major - maybe "the" major crisis of the
anthropocene on our hands and the distant but connected network
represented by the conversations on this list seem to me to be a treasure
more precious than gold - and I'm not speaking metaphorically.

I am concerned about some of the people who have been pillars and
resources on his list, people whom I have reached out to over the years
and heard back from with information and perspectives that I would never
have been able to access on my own. Where are you now? What are you doing?
Are you safe and healthy? Do you have information about friends who are
unable to read or respond to this request?

I hope to hear some responses to this message.  

Take care of yourselves, please - 

Helena

Helena Worthen

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