[Xmca-l] Re: General check-in

Sun Apr 12 01:19:28 PDT 2020

Hello,

About the listserve technicalities - I see that I am receiving Greg’s reply 
to Liz first, and then Elizabeth’s reply to me later, which Greg replied to, 
making it appear that came first. Seeing your speech coming back at you from 
another source. A loop we perhaps will have to accept, because of having to 
radically accept our internet servers and the scrambling of sequences?

About the topic, Latour and how our students and patients and us too have to 
change with our interventions and insist that the world does that with us, I 
am interested in developing our thoughts on this. There are a lot on this 
already – how we need an emotional revolution – with contributors from 
Fromm, Social therapy (Newman and Holzman) based on Vygotsky, Marx and 
Wittgenstein, and also from Silfe on radical relationality. It all is part 
of what this list-serve is about. Non-dualist and fluid development.

Annalie

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Two more notes, one on the list-serve and a question for Liz Fein:

1. I frequently will get responses to a thread that will not be included 
with the thread (Liz' response was one such response). Also, I did not get 
Beth Ferholt's initial email either.

2. Liz! You said that your students are increasingly feeling a pull toward 
the question: "how we can change psychotherapies to be social and 
revolutionary so that patients can insist that people in their worlds change 
with them?" That sounds to me like a fantastic question. Even without the 
political import (which I applaud), this goes right to the heart of what I 
like to think is a central episteme of CHAT - the inseparability of 
figure/ground (of form/content, substance/style, etc.) - esp. with regard to 
the sacrosanct and inviolate ("hypostatized" as some anthros like to say) 
individual psychological subject. And so I'd love to hear more about your 
on-the-ground-experiences of this. Assuming that there are some common 
threads among your students, can you say what kinds of revolutions your 
students feel pulled toward? In other words, HOW do they imagine the world 
changing "with" their patients? What kinds of changes do they see as 
necessary? I'm a pessimist about these kinds of things, so what you describe 
gives me a glimmer of hope!

-greg

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 11:58 AM Dr. Elizabeth Fein <feine@duq.edu 
<mailto:feine@duq.edu> > wrote:

Hello Annalie - I am thinking about this question a lot also: "how we can 
change psychotherapies to be social and revolutionary so that patients can 
insist that people in their worlds change with them?" Many of the graduate 
students that I supervise on their psychotherapy cases feel an ongoing pull 
in this direction, and we talk and write about it often, but it often feels 
hard to get traction around instantiating it in our work, even as the 
in-house clinic within our department is very flexible and open to many 
different explorations.

I am listening with you.

Elizabeth

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 10:01 AM Annalie Pistorius < 
<mailto:annalie.pistorius@smu.ac.za> annalie.pistorius@smu.ac.za> wrote:

Hi im still here with you. Sitting together is something to do. Our 
university had shut down before the lockdown here in South Africa – our 
students and SRC being medical students have taken charge the way they 
usually do. I must say they always impress me, how they can manoeuvre all 
staff when there is a leadership crisis. However now with the Corona world 
crisis, I am impressed how everyone here including our leaders stand firm 
and together, herding us and being giving to poor communities.

I watch BBC world news almost every day, and was impressed to see that even 
in Cape Town our gang members have started using their leadership to 
organise and direct the handing out of food parcels to their community 
members. Of cause, not everyone is seeing all of this as positive as I am 
painting it here.

I am reminded of the bitter sweetness of the situation, by my patient (with 
whom I am doing psychotherapy sessions on my cell phone at a very high cost, 
don’t ask me why not on internet), that his problem of stress, headaches and 
severe depression is dissolving because he is not at work. No-one shouting 
into his ears, the voices of critique fading…Now what should be done so that 
when he goes back his problem continues to dissolve?

Is this our moment to build onto? – how we can change psychotherapies to be 
social and revolutionary so that patients can insist that people in their 
worlds change with them?

That’s why I am here listening.

Greetings

Annalie

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The list of xmca members is indeed long! Here is a link to the list: 
<http://lchc-resources.org/xmca/subscriber_list.php> 
http://lchc-resources.org/xmca/subscriber_list.php

Alfredo

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This is a gracefully written New Yorker-worthy piece of dark dystopian 
fiction.  I would like to start up the whole Utopia discussion again, which 
I never felt clamped its teeth down hard enough.Thanks, David.

I am seeing responses from David Kellogg, Peg Griffin,  Mike Cole, Greg 
Thompson, Rein Raud in Estonia, David Kirshner, Ed Wall, Henry Shoner, Andy 
Blunden, Martin Packer in Bogota, Richard Beach — who did I miss?  There are 
more of us out there. I worry about Haydi in Iran.

I am swamped with Zoom, telephone and email.  Rather than clog up this list 
I’ll re-visit my blog (below) just in case anyone reads it — this is with 
regards to the price of vegetables, David Kellogg.

Other than that: the book about contingency goes back through 4 past 
transitions in higher education: standardization (Carnegie, SATs etc); 
expansion (the GI bill); the Movement era (civil rights, 1968, etc) and then 
the neoliberal contraction, for which the explosion of contingency (no job 
security/no academic freedom, crap wages) was a solution to a set of 
interlocking administrative problems. WE then go into a lot of detail about 
what organizing unions for faculty and campus workers in higher education is 
like. Thanks for asking, David.

I’m doing Zoom piano lessons for grandchildren, in hopes that they will come 
out of this with at least one skill that is useful to humanity. Also working 
with DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) to lead reading groups about the 
recent wave of teacher strikes. Still owe Andy a review of his Hegel book; 
thanks for uploading the difference between Hegel and Marx paper, Andy.

There are still some more xmca-ers out there that haven't checked in.

Helena Worthen

21 San MAteo Road, Berkeley 94707

510-828-2745

 <http://helenaworthen.wordpress.com> helenaworthen.wordpress.com

On Apr 10, 2020, at 12:39 PM, mike cole < <mailto:mcole@ucsd.edu> 
mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:

The new samizdat, David?

mike

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:31 AM David H Kirshner < <mailto:dkirsh@lsu.edu> 
dkirsh@lsu.edu> wrote:

Here’s a fictional reminder of what more may be at stake in the current 
political era.

 <https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/06/love-letter> 
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/06/love-letter

David

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Henry,

Only thing I know for sure about any bill is this: If it doesn’t serve well 
the top 1%, then McConnell won’t have it come to the floor for a vote in the 
Senate, so many reasonably good bills are never enacted and no Senator or 
President need be held accountable about their opposition.

But, what I know about intersectional groups in the past few years is that 
we have to reach out in any and all ways possible to be sure we do not step 
on each other’s messages, actions, and needs, and to be sure we have ways of 
getting and giving timely support as allies.

It sounds wimpy for a bumper sticker, but I wish I had one that said 
“Protect Fragile Solidarity!”

I think we may be inching in that awkward direction though: SPLC has 
normalized the bumper sticker, “Restore the Vote.”

Peg

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Peg,

I really don’t know anymore about life on the Rez now than what I read on 
line, what I have heard on Native America Calling on our local public radio 
station KUNM and what I hear from my Navajo Family near Shiprock. So far, no 
one in my family there is sick. I have no insider information that might 
help pull the right strings in DC. Deb Haaland sends out regular bulletins 
describing what she is doing to benefit all New Mexicans, no specific 
mention of what’s happening on the Navajo. You know more about the bills 
than I do!

Henry

On Apr 9, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Peg Griffin, Ph.D. < 
<mailto:Peg.Griffin@att.net> Peg.Griffin@att.net> wrote:

Henry, may I ask you to discuss Co-Vid 19 in the Navajo Nation? From news 
reports the Nation seems to be proactive, trying new and old ways of 
proceeding. But, in comparison to nearby states, more and deeper problems 
faced with fewer and less stable resources?  DC got robbed in the second 
bailout bill – way underfunded.  Plans are getting formed and deformed about 
pushing for fixes in the next bill (now in messes in both House and Senate). 
Do you know if there are any Navajo plans that DC folk  can support,  maybe 
learn from (or at least stop from inadvertently stepping on?)  Is staff in 
Deb Haaland’s office in the HOB a good place to try to find out or …?

A good fantasy about November, Henry.  Somehow, it reminds me of the early 
days in the Fifth Dimension. The children engaged in transformational 
journeys, taking their avatars through rooms in a table top maze, choosing 
which of several openings they would use as entry and eventual exit, 
choosing which of different tasks in the room to do (harder tasks coupled 
with more choice over which exits from room they could use), collaborating 
with peers and lovely Big Sisters and Brothers, and there was always the 
Wizard –guardian or trickster or sometimes asleep at the wheel.  At an exit, 
avatars transformed and children went to the creature store to pick the 
token of the transformation to travel with if they chose to enter the 5th D 
again.

But there was also a different world with university and public school 
calendars and rites of passage. At times for seams important to that world, 
the children got shirts screen-printed with words ranging from “I conquered 
the 5thdimension” “I barely survived the 5th Dimension” “I almost survived 
the 5th Dimension” and so on “I’m in the middle… “I’m just starting…” A 
child reviewed the prior period of time, negotiating which words would be on 
their shirt.  (Of all the weird things in the 5th D, Mike laughs best about 
the carefully differentiated shirts.)

So, how about you and I in the here(s) and now(s)? We make choice after 
choice after choice and work hard at enough to transform the current elected 
officials to try to choose better creatures as we exit this iteration of a 
government and enter again for choices and tasks in the next iteration. 
Concurrently, we have to keep our eye on the prize of the CoVid 19  pandemic 
world and survival in it.

BTW, I do live inside the Beltway – 12 blocks north and east of Union 
Station. The museums, the food, and the HOBs (House Office Buildings) – as 
well as the SOBs across the capitol park – all nearby, familiar sites of 
camaraderie for efforts, some successful and some not so much.

Peg

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I was born at Mercy Hospital in Washington DC. Do you actually live inside 
the Beltway? Great museums there and food. Scads of family from both Judy’s 
and my side. One of the last times I visited there, I went to Michelle’s 
office: She was our representative at the time. She gets around.

I have this fantasy brought on by the pandemic and New Mexico’s Blue 
(Democratic) sweep in 2018 that brought us three kick-ass women: Governor 
Michelle...Representative Deborah Halland for Albuquerque and surrounds 
where we live (I canvassed for her in the primary!)…and Representative Xochi 
Small to the south. All Democrats. The fantasy is that these historic times, 
this perizhvanie, this Lev budding, will bear fruit in November that gets us 
through another narrow place. And we will celebrate. Fitting that Passover 
is tonight, a celebration of liberation from slavery, and a time when we 
recognize that we are all really strangers, wherever we live.

Yikes! Talk about Biblical dialect! It’s as catching as that Corona bug!

Must stay well

Henry

On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Peg Griffin, Ph.D. < 
<mailto:Peg.Griffin@att.net> Peg.Griffin@att.net> wrote:

I live in Washington, DC, Henry, but my roots here are by way of LCHC in San 
Diego which begot xlchc which begot xmca.  Don’t know why I switched into a 
biblical dialect, but not hallucinations, just whimsy. And a little tired 
this evening.

Did you notice how my motif in my last post turned unto motive when I sent 
it?  I think it was Leonti’ev sneaking in.

The description of your mask seems dashing! Could Judy have alternative (or 
ulterior) motive (or motif)?

Hmmm, just recognized the 5th Dimension wanting into the lineage recital. 
Still no hallucination just a few sips  of a nice Tuscan blend…

Peg

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Hey Peg!

Yes, I will tell Governor Michelle you’re rooting for her from where you and 
yours are at! Please forgive my senior moment, but where do YOU live?

My wife Judy figured out how to make a mask from a bandana and two hair 
ties. Like I’m ready to rob the stage coach, full of ppe (personal 
protective equipment).:) I saw a cartoon of Trump and his underlings at one 
of his you-can’t-make-it-up briefings. They are wearing masks that cover 
nose and mouth. Trump has a Lone Ranger mask. Here’s a link for those short 
on Americana:

 <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Frobertharmon311%2Flone-ranger-mask-patterns-for-save-ranger-challeng%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cdkirsh%40lsu.edu%7Ca1af4d5a01a84f5cb4ef08d7dd705206%7C2d4dad3f50ae47d983a09ae2b1f466f8%7C0%7C0%7C637221346793667569&sdata=0ws8LB1vDFkDW9C5jjQPq6dE2Y%2BeT%2Fh8lyQ5gvs06TU%3D&reserved=0> 
https://www.pinterest.com/robertharmon311/lone-ranger-mask-patterns-for-save-ranger-challeng/

Stay safe and well!

Henry

On Apr 8, 2020, at 11:27 AM, Peg Griffin, Ph.D. < 
<mailto:Peg.Griffin@att.net> Peg.Griffin@att.net> wrote:

Henry, please tell your governor/friend, Michelle Lujan Grisham, “We see 
her, we hear her, we love her, and we know we need her.”

Groups here that made good use of allies before the pandemic are making 
good, well-planned use of us now, especially for those in the shadows, by 
necessity or oversight, to address basic food and medical insecurity.

And thank you, too, Henry and others on xmca.

Relatively healthy (AKA no Co-vid19 that we know of and well masked – my 
favorite right now is an easily washed and bleached homemade one with a blue 
lamb motive – anyone need a pdf for making adult or child masks, with or 
without hepa-filters?) and safe,

Peg

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Hi All,

Like Greg, I was struck by Andy’s sense that China may go back to “normal” 
but the neo-liberal “first" world is and will be experiencing a profound 
perizhvanie. You’d hope it will be for the good.

In the U.S,, generally, rates of infection are positively correlated with 
density of population. For example, I live in New Mexico, the fifth largest 
state in the U.S. with a population of a little over a one million and the 
lowest rate of infection…so far. However, our Navajo live spread out to the 
west and north of us, but have very high rates of infection. Little Zia 
Pueblo, just an our by car to the north and west of us, only has about a 
thousand people, with eleven confirmed cases. Poverty. In the country as a 
whole people of color have relatively higher rates of infection. Poverty.

Our governor, Michelle Lujan Grisham (who I am proud to say is a good 
friend), has been successful in pushing baci against Trump’s efforts to 
punish states that did not vote for him by being less than cooperative in 
providing resources against the pandemic. She has been using her bully 
pulpit against Trump's bloviating. His hot air has got to be an infectious 
agent. Most of us are using masks in public, evidence indicating that it 
protects OTHERS by wearing them. Trump prefers NOT to wear a mask. 
Consistent with his politics. You can’t make this up.

Be well,

Henry

On Apr 8, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Greg Thompson < 
<mailto:greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> wrote:

David,

I wonder if you could say more about your experience of the state-based 
"surveillance" in SK. There are lots of different groups in the U.S., both 
on the left and the right, who are up in arms about the "tracking" of 
citizens via credit card and cell phone usage.

And it sounds like this is a global concern as Mary's report from SA 
suggests.

Also how interesting how similar the conspiracy theories are around the 
globe (globalization and the spread of viral ideas?). That's world 
perezhivanie indeed!

-greg

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:08 PM David Kellogg < <mailto:dkellogg60@gmail.com> 
dkellogg60@gmail.com> wrote:

Helena--

Situation in China, courtesy my sister-in-law: life in Beijing is pretty 
much back to normal at least on the face of it. People are going out to 
their work units (but there is more work from home than before the crisis). 
Classes still largely taught from ZOOM. My nephew is in Shanghai, where the 
situation is somewhat tighter (proximity to Wuhan). Wuhan opened up for real 
yesterday--people can leave (I lived there for two years in the 
mid-eighties, but I can barely recognize what I see on the news now....) I 
have students in Chengdu (who attend my class via ZOOM). People are mostly 
shopping on line with delivery to the gate of the housing unit rather than 
to their flat (as we do here in Korea). Air quality better than it's been in 
decades.

Situation here in South Korea: We just extended our lockdown for another two 
weeks. This is in response to a few days of new infections over a hundred, 
but the infections are mostly (80%) Koreans from the US and Europe who want 
to live in a place where the medical system has not broken down or is not in 
the process of breaking down. There are still some "hotspots" of community 
transmission, but these are almost all connected with churches or PC cafes. 
Schools reopen on the 16th, but only online. We have elections in a week, 
and there is a lot of campaigning going on, including the usual street based 
campaigning (the right wing opposition campaigns around the curious notion 
that the government has done absolutely nothing, and the government ignores 
everybody who is not an actual virus). People shop in stores, and there is 
no panic buying or disruption of supply chains. The main changes in economic 
life seem to have to do with transport, and it seems like this too will be 
permanent (electric scooters are everywhere now). Bowing instead of shaking 
hands is really not a bad idea, and coffee-shops always were over-rated and 
over-priced....

But what about you, Helena? (One of the things I have learned on this list 
is that you get more or less what you give--people tend to use what you 
write as a model for writing back!) Are you still in Vietnam? Your address 
says Berkeley and your email says Illinois--those are three very different 
venues for the virus and the economy. Can you give us a brief account of the 
situation in each?

Stay safe, wherever you are!

David Kellogg

Sangmyung University

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On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:30 AM Martin Packer < <mailto:mpacker@cantab.net> 
mpacker@cantab.net> wrote:

Hi Helena,

I share your concerns. And, despite its challenges, this situation seems a 
great opportunity to apply our distributed expertise(s). I tried to get some 
discussion going in a group concerned with the Anthropocene, but people 
seemed disinclined.

Martin

Here’s the first message that I sent…

The current situation is producing important evidence about the probable 
consequences of the strategies proposed to mitigate climate change. 
Satellites are showing significant reductions in pollution:

 <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.space.com%2Fitaly-coronavirus-outbreak-response-reduces-emissions-satellite-images.html&data=02%7C01%7Cdkirsh%40lsu.edu%7Ca1af4d5a01a84f5cb4ef08d7dd705206%7C2d4dad3f50ae47d983a09ae2b1f466f8%7C0%7C0%7C637221346793692564&sdata=sWHcoPiY%2FqVN%2F5hrvay2GdKApM3b4XE3w1f9pK8Xdyo%3D&reserved=0> 
https://www.space.com/italy-coronavirus-outbreak-response-reduces-emissions-satellite-images.html

Experts are suggesting that as a result the coronavirus may save more lives 
than it takes:

 <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fjeffmcmahon%2F2020%2F03%2F11%2Fcoronavirus-lockdown-may-save-more-lives-from-pollution-and-climate-than-from-virus%2F%234a39bb3c5764&data=02%7C01%7Cdkirsh%40lsu.edu%7Ca1af4d5a01a84f5cb4ef08d7dd705206%7C2d4dad3f50ae47d983a09ae2b1f466f8%7C0%7C0%7C637221346793697555&sdata=swdtdsRGx2X6Gi%2FLLipNE8fRTpbNkrwyeM25TVE%2BMVk%3D&reserved=0> 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2020/03/11/coronavirus-lockdown-may-save-more-lives-from-pollution-and-climate-than-from-virus/#4a39bb3c5764

So when skeptics ask “How can you know that reducing air travel will help 
with climate change?” there is now clear evidence with which to answer them.

Also in China:

 <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2Fsections%2Fgoatsandsoda%2F2020%2F03%2F04%2F811019032%2Fwhy-chinas-air-has-been-cleaner-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak&data=02%7C01%7Cdkirsh%40lsu.edu%7Ca1af4d5a01a84f5cb4ef08d7dd705206%7C2d4dad3f50ae47d983a09ae2b1f466f8%7C0%7C0%7C637221346793702562&sdata=6yvEjMIA8fnvDubC8Zp%2BLQEjS1%2Ffpm4HK07oROmddkY%3D&reserved=0> 
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/04/811019032/why-chinas-air-has-been-cleaner-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak

At the same time, I am starting to wonder whether the current health 
guidelines regarding coronvirus are culturally biased. Can they work in 
‘collectivist’ cultures (to use the shorthand)? The CDC guidelines, for 
example, include the recommendations to “Stay home when you are sick,” but 
also that other members of the household should “Avoid close contact with 
people who are sick” and should “Choose a room in your home that can be used 
to separate sick household members from those who are healthy. Identify a 
separate bathroom for the sick person to use, if possible.”

This advice is simply not practicable for many households in Colombia. There 
are not enough rooms; there is no second bathroom. In addition, many infants 
and young children here are cared for by grandparents, or even 
great-grandparents (many women here have a baby when young, so an infant may 
have a grandmother who is in her late 30s and a great-grandmother in her 
late 50s). The evidence shows that children don’t become very ill, but they 
do get infected and they can infect other people, among whom elderly 
caregivers will be the most at risk.

So I don’t think social distance and auto-quarantine will work in Colombia. 
Consider what the Chinese did: they went door-to-door to identify infected 
family members and removed them to massive collective quarantine setttings. 
People in the West considered this to be draconian, even cruel. But it made 
sense: much more cross-infection occurred in Chinese homes than in places 
like restaurants.

Unless the authorities can come up with strategies that are more appropriate 
to local circumstances and practices, there is likely to be a rapid and 
elevated peak of infections in Latin American countries.

And I see there is a related point here, on ageism:

 <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencedaily.com%2Freleases%2F2020%2F03%2F200313155256.htm&data=02%7C01%7Cdkirsh%40lsu.edu%7Ca1af4d5a01a84f5cb4ef08d7dd705206%7C2d4dad3f50ae47d983a09ae2b1f466f8%7C0%7C0%7C637221346793707550&sdata=qtwz3YxsiyXdHqVI9q33uZSSDZuYru8864G6p0yW54M%3D&reserved=0> 
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200313155256.htm

On Apr 7, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Helena Worthen < 
<mailto:helenaworthen@gmail.com> helenaworthen@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello, XMCA-ers -

I don’t remember ever having read that this list was going to shut down or 
even be allowed to fade away. So now I’m writing, as if in the dark, to the 
whole list.  We’ve now got a major — maybe “the” major crisis of the 
anthropocene on our hands and the distant but connected network represented 
by the conversations on this list seem to me to be a treasure more precious 
than gold - and I’m not speaking metaphorically.

I am concerned about some of the people who have been pillars and resources 
on his list, people whom I have reached out to over the years and heard back 
from with information and perspectives that I would never have been able to 
access on my own. Where are you now? What are you doing? Are you safe and 
healthy? Do you have information about friends who are unable to read or 
respond to this request?

I hope to hear some responses to this message.

Take care of yourselves, please —

Helena

Helena Worthen

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Assistant Professor

Department of Anthropology

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