[Xmca-l] Re: New book on Ilyenkov

[David Kellogg]

It's here, Andy:

https://realdemocracymovement.org/how-evald-ilyenkov-was-found-2/

"(Ilyenkov) boldly stated that Marx’s and Lenin’s actual thought had
practically zero influence in Soviet philosophy; that neo-positivism was
rampant grafting ideas taken from cybernetics into philosophy, and that
Soviet economists knew a great deal more about the economies of the US and
Europe than they did about their own economy."

The last part of this was very true of China: the Marxism-Leninism
department that my wife attended was run by a guy who was studying
stock-market speculation (but I remember getting into furious arguments
with him over the viability of the Great Leap Forward, which he claimed was
essentially a Chinese version of Roosevelt's New Deal rather than a Chinese
version of Stalin's disastrous war on "kulaks").

Still, you can see that the first part depicts a situation that is just
about the opposite of what Mike describes--a Stalinism more interested in
the "latest thing" in the West than in developing their own Marxist
tradition (my father said this was also true in physics: they actually
found it safer to cite foreign physics papers than to cite their own
physicists, because you never know when the man you cited as a genius might
run into trouble with the OGPU). How else can we explain the disdain for
the work of Vygotsky and the utter devotion to the work of the
anti-Bolshevik Pavlov, so well received in the West?

David Kellogg
Sangmyung University

New Article:
Han Hee Jeung & David Kellogg (2019): A story without SELF: Vygotsky’s
pedology, Bruner’s constructivism and Halliday’s construalism in
understanding narratives by
Korean children, Language and Education, DOI: 10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663
To link to this article: https://doi.org/10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663

Some e-prints available at:
https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/KHRxrQ4n45t9N2ZHZhQK/full?target=10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663



On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:39 PM Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org> wrote:

> David, where did you find this claim about "fighting against the
> introduction of ideas from cybernetics"? I don't disagree with the claim
> but I don't know where it comes from and suspect the discussion around it
> is overcooking whatever the original claim was.
>
> andy
> ------------------------------
> Andy Blunden
> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
> On 18/05/2019 8:02 pm, David Kellogg wrote:
>
> Andy, Alfredo--
>
> The most intriguing thing about this book was the statement that Ilyenkov
> fought against the introduction of ideas from cybernetics into psychology.
> On the other side of the world, Gregory Bateson was fighting hard for their
> inclusion.
>
> I read through "The Ideal in Human Activity" a couple of times (true,
> without understanding much of it). But I didn't see anything against
> cybernetics. Am I missing something?
>
> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
>
> New Article:
> Han Hee Jeung & David Kellogg (2019): A story without SELF: Vygotsky’s
> pedology, Bruner’s constructivism and Halliday’s construalism in
> understanding narratives by
> Korean children, Language and Education, DOI: 10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663
> To link to this article: https://doi.org/10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663
>
> Some e-prints available at:
>
> https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/KHRxrQ4n45t9N2ZHZhQK/full?target=10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 6:22 PM Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org> wrote:
>
>> https://realdemocracymovement.org/finding-evald-ilyenkov/
>>
>> In the era of alt-truth, disinformation and scepticism about the very
>> possibility of knowledge, the work of a defiant Soviet thinker is
>> attracting growing interest.
>>
>> Evald Ilyenkov’s dialectical approach to philosophy from Spinoza to Hegel
>> and Marx made him a target for persecution by the bureaucratic Stalinist
>> authorities of his day.
>>
>> The re-discovery of his original texts, suppressed or harshly redacted
>> during his lifetime, is giving rise to an enhanced view of his contribution.
>>
>> *Finding Evald Ilyenkov* draws on the personal experiences of
>> researchers in the UK, Denmark and Finland. It traces Ilyenkov’s impact on
>> philosophy, psychology, politics and pedagogy and how it continues to be
>> relevant in the light of today’s crises.
>> --
>> ------------------------------
>> Andy Blunden
>> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>>
>
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