[Xmca-l] Re: Fernando Rey

[mike cole]

Are you ready for remembering the future, Henry?
:-)
Mike

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:06 PM HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:

> This business of the present and presence is interesting. I was listening
> to a podcast which was an interview of Daniel Kahneman, a nobel laureate in
> economics for his work in behavioral economics, actually the psychology of
> decision making. He talked of the experiencing self and the remembering
> self. As per David K.’s reflection that the present doesn’t really exist,
> then the experiencing self is the remembering self! Which is the point
> Gerald Edleman (another nobel laureate, but in biology) makes in his book
> “The Remembered Present”. As far as presence, a primary objective of
> Vipassana meditation is to be present, largely through training the
> attention on sensation, very often the sensation of breathing. If Edleman
> is right, being present is reflecting on the past, or. as David K. puts it,
> “...we make the present present by reflecting on it”. I like this
> juxtapositon of being present and making the present.
> Henry
>
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 3:17 PM, David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I never met Fernando Gonzalez Rey, but I remember his periodization scheme
> for Vygotsky's work (which I completely disagreed with) and his hospital
> bed intervention at the Sydney ISCAR conference. His work on emotion, on
> Vygotsky's "Psychology of Art" and on the use of 'perezhivanie' as a unit
> of analysis for consciousness were much discussed in December at the ISCAR
> Blue Mountain retreat in Australia. He was a presence.
>
> If you think about it non-dialectically, it's pretty easy to demonstrate
> that the present doesn't exist, or that it is vanishingly small, or that
> what we think of as "present" is nothing but the immediate past (which I
> think was Bergson's point of view) or that what we think of as the
> "present" is simply an actor's prologue (which is Shakespeare's).
>
> I guess we make the present present by reflecting on it. This morning I
> was reflecting on that TED talk by Deb Roy which we discussed on this list
> eight years ago, just before I went to Sydney and started reading Fernando
> Gonzalez Rey. If you missed it, the TED talk is here:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE4ce4mexrU
>
> Going over it this morning, I realized how quaint and naive it seems,
> particularly in the light of Fernando Gonzalez Rey's work. It smells of the
> era of big data, approached atheoretically, as if all you have to do is
> to keep acquiring those data points and the theoretical conclusions will
> self-assemble.
>
> At around 2:00 Roy makes the point that the data set is 250,000
> hours. What he doesn't point out is that it would take around thirty years
> just to listen to it, let alone analyze it. He then presents, in lieu of
> analysis, a visualization--space time worms. But visualization is NOT
> analysis, and in fact by construcing a "space time worm", all he really
> does is replace the real time dimension with another space dimension, which
> has the disadvantage (to the linguist) of being entirely unreal.
>
> At around 3:30 Roy presents a "time lapse" construction of the word
> "water" by his child. Although he has destroyed the context of the child's
> work (and thus made the construction seem at once a solitary invention and
> a gradual evolution), you can still see that the child's progress is
> exactly what the "space time worm" seems to deny: it's NOT linear at all.
> There are clear moments of reflection, of explicit study, of delliberate
> attempts to master something in the milieu, and that's what Deb Roy's data
> set leaves out in the visualization.
>
> I don't think much of this would have impressed Fernando Gonzalez Rey.
> What bothers me is that it impressed me eight years ago. Live and learn, as
> they say...but they don't tell you how much more there is to learn than
> there is to live. From the point of view of individual existence, presence
> just doesn't exist--fortunately, from the point of view of this list, every
> presence is prologue.
>
> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
>
> New Article;
>
>  David Kellogg (2019) THE STORYTELLER’S TALE: VYGOTSKY’S
> ‘VRASHCHIVANIYA’, THE ZONE OF PROXIMAL DEVELOPMENT AND ‘INGROWING’ IN THE
> WEEKEND STORIES OF KOREAN CHILDREN, British Journal of Educational
> Studies, DOI: 10.1080/00071005.2019.1569200
> <https://doi.org/10.1080/00071005.2019.1569200>
>
>
> Some e-prints available at:
>
>
> https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/GSS2cTAVAz2jaRdPIkvj/full?target=10.1080/00071005.2019.1569200
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:53 AM Luisa Aires <laires11@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sinto muito, Alfredo.
>>
>> Abraço,
>> Luísa A.
>>
>> Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@ils.uio.no> escreveu no dia quarta,
>> 27/03/2019 à(s) 19:34:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>> Fernando González Rey (1949-2019)
>>>
>>> For the CHAT community, it is a deep sorrow to inform of the
>>> untimely death of
>>> our colleague and friend Fernando González Rey on the night of March 26,
>>> in the city of São Paulo, at 69 years of age. A deep and powerful live
>>> devoted to psychology and social sciences, to understanding Vygotsky and
>>> going
>>> beyond his legacy; to opening new horizons regarding human personality,
>>> qualitative methodology, motivation, sense, perezhivanie and subjectivity
>>> from a cultural-historical approach. His ashes will be taken to Cuba,
>>> where he was born, and as he was wish. We are sure that his strength,
>>> integrity, sense of humor and passionate for life, for psychology and for
>>> social and human sciences will remain alive on our thoughts and hearts.
>>>
>>>
>>> ​
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>
> --
The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there.
L.P. Hartley
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