[Xmca-l] Re: Fernando Rey

[HENRY SHONERD]

This business of the present and presence is interesting. I was listening to a podcast which was an interview of Daniel Kahneman, a nobel laureate in economics for his work in behavioral economics, actually the psychology of decision making. He talked of the experiencing self and the remembering self. As per David K.’s reflection that the present doesn’t really exist, then the experiencing self is the remembering self! Which is the point Gerald Edleman (another nobel laureate, but in biology) makes in his book “The Remembered Present”. As far as presence, a primary objective of Vipassana meditation is to be present, largely through training the attention on sensation, very often the sensation of breathing. If Edleman is right, being present is reflecting on the past, or. as David K. puts it, “...we make the present present by reflecting on it”. I like this juxtapositon of being present and making the present. 
Henry



> On Mar 28, 2019, at 3:17 PM, David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I never met Fernando Gonzalez Rey, but I remember his periodization scheme for Vygotsky's work (which I completely disagreed with) and his hospital bed intervention at the Sydney ISCAR conference. His work on emotion, on Vygotsky's "Psychology of Art" and on the use of 'perezhivanie' as a unit of analysis for consciousness were much discussed in December at the ISCAR Blue Mountain retreat in Australia. He was a presence.
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> If you think about it non-dialectically, it's pretty easy to demonstrate that the present doesn't exist, or that it is vanishingly small, or that what we think of as "present" is nothing but the immediate past (which I think was Bergson's point of view) or that what we think of as the "present" is simply an actor's prologue (which is Shakespeare's).
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> I guess we make the present present by reflecting on it. This morning I was reflecting on that TED talk by Deb Roy which we discussed on this list eight years ago, just before I went to Sydney and started reading Fernando Gonzalez Rey. If you missed it, the TED talk is here:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE4ce4mexrU <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE4ce4mexrU>
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> Going over it this morning, I realized how quaint and naive it seems, particularly in the light of Fernando Gonzalez Rey's work. It smells of the era of big data, approached atheoretically, as if all you have to do is to keep acquiring those data points and the theoretical conclusions will self-assemble.
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> At around 2:00 Roy makes the point that the data set is 250,000 hours. What he doesn't point out is that it would take around thirty years just to listen to it, let alone analyze it. He then presents, in lieu of analysis, a visualization--space time worms. But visualization is NOT analysis, and in fact by construcing a "space time worm", all he really does is replace the real time dimension with another space dimension, which has the disadvantage (to the linguist) of being entirely unreal.
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> At around 3:30 Roy presents a "time lapse" construction of the word "water" by his child. Although he has destroyed the context of the child's work (and thus made the construction seem at once a solitary invention and a gradual evolution), you can still see that the child's progress is exactly what the "space time worm" seems to deny: it's NOT linear at all. There are clear moments of reflection, of explicit study, of delliberate attempts to master something in the milieu, and that's what Deb Roy's data set leaves out in the visualization.  
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> I don't think much of this would have impressed Fernando Gonzalez Rey. What bothers me is that it impressed me eight years ago. Live and learn, as they say...but they don't tell you how much more there is to learn than there is to live. From the point of view of individual existence, presence just doesn't exist--fortunately, from the point of view of this list, every presence is prologue.
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> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
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> New Article;
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>  David Kellogg (2019) THE STORYTELLER’S TALE: VYGOTSKY’S ‘VRASHCHIVANIYA’, THE ZONE OF PROXIMAL DEVELOPMENT AND ‘INGROWING’ IN THE WEEKEND STORIES OF KOREAN CHILDREN, British Journal of Educational Studies, DOI: 10.1080/00071005.2019.1569200 <https://doi.org/10.1080/00071005.2019.1569200>                                
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> Some e-prints available at:
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> https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/GSS2cTAVAz2jaRdPIkvj/full?target=10.1080/00071005.2019.1569200 <https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/GSS2cTAVAz2jaRdPIkvj/full?target=10.1080/00071005.2019.1569200> 
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> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:53 AM Luisa Aires <laires11@gmail.com <mailto:laires11@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Sinto muito, Alfredo.
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> Abraço,
> Luísa A.
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> Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@ils.uio.no <mailto:a.j.gil@ils.uio.no>> escreveu no dia quarta, 27/03/2019 à(s) 19:34:
> Dear all, 
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> Fernando González Rey (1949-2019)
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> For the CHAT community, it is a deep sorrow to inform of the untimely death of
> our colleague and friend Fernando González Rey on the night of March 26,
> in the city of São Paulo, at 69 years of age. A deep and powerful live
> devoted to psychology and social sciences, to understanding Vygotsky and going
> beyond his legacy; to opening new horizons regarding human personality,
> qualitative methodology, motivation, sense, perezhivanie and subjectivity
> from a cultural-historical approach. His ashes will be taken to Cuba,
> where he was born, and as he was wish. We are sure that his strength,
> integrity, sense of humor and passionate for life, for psychology and for
> social and human sciences will remain alive on our thoughts and hearts. 
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