[Xmca-l] Re: Where is Marx in the work and thought of Vygotsky? by Lucien Seve

[Andy Blunden]

Oh what a pity! I could have no idea of course, that a 
decent English translation was in press!
I look forward to reading your translation, David.

Andy

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*Andy Blunden*
https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
On 1/07/2019 3:12 am, David Kellogg wrote:
> Andy--
>
> The translation was a commercial one; Lucien Seve wanted 
> to have it translated so that Anton Yasnitsky and Carl 
> Ratner would respond to it, but neither one mentioned it. 
> When I asked Anton after his talk he said that he found 
> the first page so error-ridden he gave up. I have (with 
> Lucien Seve's permission) retranslated it; it should come 
> out in MCA later this year.
>
> I think that part of Seve's point in this paper is that 
> Vygotsky the psychologist is Vygotsky misconceived: 
> de-socialized, de-culturized, and de-Marxified. But 
> Vygotsky the pedologist makes perfect sense, so long as we 
> understand that pedology is not "child psychology"--it's 
> not a branch of some larger purer science called 
> psychology; on the contrary, for Vygotsky, psychology was 
> a specialized tool in the pedologist's kit, and pedology 
> itself is part of much larger science of human 
> development, inevitably linked to sociogenetic ideas of 
> the nature of human progress.
>
> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
>
> New Article:
> Han Hee Jeung & David Kellogg (2019): A story without 
> SELF: Vygotsky’s
> pedology, Bruner’s constructivism and Halliday’s 
> construalism in understanding narratives by
> Korean children, Language and Education, DOI: 
> 10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663
> To link to this article: 
> https://doi.org/10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663
>
> Some e-prints available at:
> https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/KHRxrQ4n45t9N2ZHZhQK/full?target=10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 8:13 PM Andy Blunden 
> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>
>     Just a couple of remarks on this very interesting paper:
>
>     (1) When I read "Thought & Language" (the 1962
>     translation) - my first Vygotsky, I instantly
>     recognised as a work of Marxism, and one informed by
>     Hegel to boot. Which verifies Seve's obvious point
>     that cutting out the explicit references to Marx does
>     not remove the Marxist character of the work.
>
>     (2) Seve (in my view) completely misunderstands
>     Hegel's idea of "concept", attributing to Hegel the
>     analytical view which Vygotsky also used up until
>     1931, at which point he came in contact with
>     Hegelians. Marx made numerous "corrections" to Hegel,
>     but the form of the concept was not one of those.
>
>     (3) The meaning of Taetigkeit, Handlung, Aktivitaet,
>     Praxis, etc., the various words in German, English and
>     Russian, for "activity" is not cut and dry - different
>     writers use different words differently. But despite
>     the importance of the "productivist" interpretation of
>     "Praxis" in anthropology and historiography, it has
>     always seemed to me that the more general meaning of
>     "purposive (social, artefact mediated) activity" is
>     more appropriate for Psychology, and the meaning
>     Vygotsky had in mind. It seems that Leontyev
>     perversely agrees with this because of his spiteful
>     attack on Vygotsky's supposed "idealism" (See JREEP v.
>     43, 2005) for not understanding "Praxis" in this
>     productivist way.
>
>     Still, very welcome article. Pity some of us
>     Anglophones, like me, are so ignorant of the French
>     language.
>
>     Andy
>
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>     *Andy Blunden*
>     https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>     On 30/06/2019 11:08 am, Andy Blunden wrote:
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>>     Attachment may be of interest to people on this list.
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>>     Andy
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>>     *Andy Blunden*
>>     https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
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