[Xmca-l] Re: The Mindset.

[Huw Lloyd]

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 04:40, Harshad Dave <hhdave15@gmail.com> wrote:

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> Huw,
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> Thanks for your message dated 20 August. I put my reply in red/brownish
> fonts.
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> Your words:
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> I have skimmed through your document. You might want to compare your
> conception with Vygotsky's conception of a "zone of proximal development"
> found in the volume thinking and speech, p.209 in the 1987 plenum press
> edition, or the 170th page marked as page 208 in this pdf link:
>
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> https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/words/Thinking-and-Speech.pdf
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> My saying: I read it at the mentioned page (slightly before the page 208
> starting from no. 4 on page 207). I have put my independent observation on
> the above writings in a docs file that I shall attach with my message in
> couple of days as it does not form a part of my saying. Vygotsky is talking
> in particular topic issue and it is different though it impresses some
> similarity at a glancing view. I confirm that subject matter/topic is
> different from that of in our discussion.
>
>
>

Assuming for some precision in your writing, Harshad, this conclusion that
the "subject matter is different" is probably part-and-parcel of the issue.

Best,
Huw


> Your words:
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> It might also be beneficial to distinguish, carefully, what is meant by a
> skill or ability in the context of a circumstance where it is misapplied,
> for example, to distinguish genuine understanding and construal
> (appropriate orientation).
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>
>
> My prior points still stand in relation to my interpretation of your
> questions and descriptions. [Noted]
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> My saying: You are right; I should give short introduction of my
> understanding/concept about “ability”.
>
> When we use the word ability it is a general addressing or it means
> overall ability. In fact, it is more convenient if we segregate our ability
> in various independent slots. For example, leopard’s ability to climb a
> tree is more powerful than that of a lion. But, the muscle power of a lion
> is higher in folds than that of a leopard. It means, if we talk about
> comparison of ability between a lion and leopard, the slot of tree climbing
> ability is higher but the slot of muscle power ability of a leopard is
> lower than that of a lion. It is equally true for men also. The overall
> ability of a man is constituted of different slots of particular abilities.
> The potential of ability in each slot varies person to person. Person A
> might get proved weak against person B, but, A is powerful in that
> particular slot only. There is a fair possibility that B might be more
> powerful than A in one or more other slots of abilities. There are
> innumerable slots of various abilities in our overall ability.
>
> [If you need to know further detail analysis of “ability” I request to
> open the following link where I have presented the same in detail. Article
> title: “Ability – The spine of economics”
>
> Link: https://www.academia.edu/36050375/Ability_The_spine_of_economics ]
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> Your words:
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> Your binary predicate is "in a wild life system". What is a wild life
> system and why is this necessary in the context of a developmental study?
> Is an ant nest along with its recognised material needs, transported to a
> laboratory, a "wild" system? Is a dolphin in a large pool? Is an octopus
> with a camera? Is any creature with anything novel?
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> My saying: Once upon a time before hundreds of thousands of years, our
> great ancestors were making living in a savage group living. A human
> society evolved progressively and *the social system* was different than
> that of *the wild life system*. The wild life system is a system run and
> controlled by fully natural laws only. The use of phrase *wild life
> system* is simple and I request you not to make it complicated
> unnecessarily. It is used just to distinguish it from human social system.
>
> If you need to go in detail separation between the two (*wild life system*
> and *human social system*), I request you to refer on following web link:
> http://armgpublishing.sumdu.edu.ua/journals/fmir/volume-2-issue-2/article-6/)
> at page no. 70 to 74 (Fetus of Exchange Process).
>
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> Your words:
>
> With respect to your binary question about whether animals do or do not
> have a "mindset", this is predicated upon your definition. If your
> definition is based upon intention, then the answer is yes. If your
> definition isn't based upon intention, I would probably question your
> conception more, i.e. the genesis of "mindset". It is necessary to realise
> that this is a developmental (genetic) answer to your question.
>
>
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> My saying: Yes I agree with your saying as above. But, if you read my
> message along with the file (I had attached) that clears/describes “what I
> understand about the constitution of mindset”, I am specific on the issue.
> My views on the constitution of “mindset” have a foundation of practical
> observations of facts that we face/observe in the society around us.
>
> If you recall your classmate of high school (Secondary school) you will
> find some of them with splendid record of his student carrier. You will
> also recall some students of last bench who were not with satisfactory
> performance in the school carrier. But, if we trace out them at present,
> many of them out of the *last bench dwellers* are with splendid
> achievements in their post life after education/graduation and few of from
> bright carrier are with moderate achievements. I have served in various
> offices with different responsibilities. I came across and observed them
> with different aspects and angles. I realized that they had many powerful
> slots of abilities and genuine characteristics but they contracted or
> suffered from typical mindset that never allow them to deal with other
> people of his own department or from other department in a way that might
> generate a positive, good or pleasant impact on the minds of the people
> dealing with them. In other words, I say, their mindset did not permit
> exposer of his various powerful abilities and characteristics while dealing
> other people. In my views as I explained in a message to Annalie, mindset
> is one type of scaling like layer that resist the exposer of person’s true
> potential.
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>
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> You have pointed out if my definition is based upon intention or not and
> accordingly the reply to my question might be given. I clarify and explain
> as follow,
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> I have narrated my views on the constitution of mindset in the attached
> file. There, I have taken three influencing parameters (page 2) that
> constitutes the mindset. However, I know there might be still more
> parameters also, but, I believe, one cannot wait till he becomes master of
> all before writing an article or presenting his views. When I was writing
> on the above parameters…. Perhaps you might agree with me…. We constantly
> face new thinking in our mind when we are busy in writing on some
> issue/topics. Here also, at that time it came to my mind if animals face
> such problem of development of mindset as they grow. If they face the same
> then which might be the influencing parameters?..... and I put it on
> xmca-l. There is no point of “intention”. I hope I have clarified.
>
>
>
> with regards,
>
>
>
> Harshad Dave.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 6:29 PM Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Harshard,
>>
>> I have skimmed through your document. You might want to compare your
>> conception with Vygotsky's conception of a "zone of proximal development"
>> found in the volume thinking and speech, p.209 in the 1987 plenum press
>> edition, or the 170th page marked as page 208 in this pdf link:
>>
>>
>> https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/words/Thinking-and-Speech.pdf
>>
>> It might also be beneficial to distinguish, carefully, what is meant by a
>> skill or ability in the context of a circumstance where it is misapplied,
>> for example, to distinguish genuine understanding and construal
>> (appropriate orientation).
>>
>> My prior points still stand in relation to my interpretation of your
>> questions and descriptions.
>>
>> Your binary predicate is "in a wild life system". What is a wild life
>> system and why is this necessary in the context of a developmental study?
>> Is an ant nest along with its recognised material needs, transported to a
>> laboratory, a "wild" system? Is a dolphin in a large pool? Is an octopus
>> with a camera? Is any creature with anything novel?
>>
>> With respect to your binary question about whether animals do or do not
>> have a "mindset", this is predicated upon your definition. If your
>> definition is based upon intention, then the answer is yes. If your
>> definition isn't based upon intention, I would probably question your
>> conception more, i.e. the genesis of "mindset". It is necessary to realise
>> that this is a developmental (genetic) answer to your question.
>>
>> Best,
>> Huw
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 14:39, Harshad Dave <hhdave15@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Huw,
>>> I am sorry, perhaps I posted a reply to you by mistake that otherwise I
>>> should have sent to Greg. Now I have corrected it and I regret for
>>> inconvenience. Please refer the attached file I sent along with a message
>>> to Annalie participating this discussion. If you do not get the access,
>>> please communicate and I shall attach the same for you again.
>>> I think, after going through the views on mindset of man in the above
>>> subject file you will have clear idea what exactly I target in my question.
>>> with regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Harshad Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 10:44 AM Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think more clarity is required in applying a binary predicate to a
>>>> developmental context.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 04:12, Harshad Dave <hhdave15@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My question is if animals contract a mind set in wild life system.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Harshad Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 10:12 PM Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people have voluntary control over their 'mindset'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Huw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 10:10, Harshad Dave <hhdave15@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> You will agree that no man in this world is free from his mindset
>>>>>>> that he developed during the journey of his growth from childhood to his
>>>>>>> prevailing age. His mindset plays an influential role while he deals with
>>>>>>> outside world. Even if the person has competent abilities, his mindset may
>>>>>>> not permit the application of his appropriate abilities at right time and
>>>>>>> on event, as if it (mindset) is a filter put before application of
>>>>>>> abilities. Presently I am working on it and I need your help at one point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Do animals have mindset or they are free from it?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with true regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harshad Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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