[Xmca-l] Re: The Mindset.

[Harshad Dave]

Hello James.
You point is correct as far as response to out side world is concerned.
However, my point is different. For example, we find conservative/orthodox
people in our human society. Do we find such mindset in animals in wild
life system?
regards,
Harshad Dave


On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:34 AM James Ma <jamesma320@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Harshad,
> One thing certain is that, from an ethological perspective, both human and
> non-human animals have innate releasing mechanisms (IRMs) allowing them to
> respond to stimuli encountered in the environment. I don't think voluntary
> control in thought or action comes and goes solitarily; rather it is
> foreshadowed by or tinged with involuntary control.
> James
>
>
> *_______________________________________________________*
>
> *James Ma  Independent Scholar **https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa
> <https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa>   *
>
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 05:12, Harshad Dave <hhdave15@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> James,
>> Thanks for your view point. What you say there in is convincing, but do
>> animals sustain any undue deformation in their mind that might project
>> adverse effect in their original natural performance? I agree it is very
>> difficult to ascertain. For example, we find people that are very
>> conservative or some people are victim of habit of contracting
>> preoccupation of their mind while dealing with outside world, and due to
>> this, their performance becomes inefficient or they also risk failure in
>> the task.Do we find such deformation in animals?
>> with regards,
>>
>> Harshad Dave
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 2:30 AM James Ma <jamesma320@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think one of the central issues is that animals are not conceptual
>>> beings whereas humans are - this is more of a gripping point, as I see it.
>>> For example, dogs can recognise or differentiate colours; however, they
>>> don't have the concept of colour.
>>> One might even think that animals have morals, but this is perhaps
>>> simply a human interpretation!
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> *_______________________________________________________*
>>>
>>> *James Ma  Independent Scholar **https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa
>>> <https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa>   *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 15:12, Annalie Pistorius <
>>> annalie.pistorius@smu.ac.za> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Harshad, I got the file and read it. “Mindset” sounds like
>>>> the something all motivational speakers and writers and philosophers try to
>>>> answer and work with and they call out different things.
>>>>
>>>> *From your document, it sounds like you are saying that mindset is an
>>>> activity of reflection and an orientation?*
>>>>
>>>> *Annalie  *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> On Behalf Of Harshad DaveSent: Sunday,
>>>> 18 August 2019 3:10 PMTo: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>Subject: [Xmca-l] Re:
>>>> The Mindset.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Hi Annalie,*
>>>>
>>>> *I got your point and herewith I attach a docs file where I have
>>>> explained my views that interprets exactly what I understand about
>>>> "mindset" of a man. I want that all the participants of this discussion
>>>> should have excess to this file but I have not adequate grip in operating
>>>> this email_application of xmca-l so please help me confirming if you get
>>>> the excess or not. Further to this, the write up on mindset there in the
>>>> attached file is a part of an article that I write presently and it is on
>>>> different subject matter of social issue where mindset of man is a prime
>>>> influencing parameter and that compelled me to be clear on mindset. When I
>>>> wrote on mindset of a man as one of the topic of the article under my pen,
>>>> I found it necessary to peep into wild life system if animals are also
>>>> victim of this frame work of mindset or it is just in human social system
>>>> only.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *with regards,   *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Harshad Dave*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 5:15 PM Annalie Pistorius
>>>> <annalie.pistorius@smu.ac.za <annalie.pistorius@smu.ac.za>> wrote:*
>>>>
>>>> *Hello Harshad,*
>>>>
>>>> *There is Eugene Marais in South Africa who studied baboons and
>>>> termites with a similar question re “the soul of the ape/ant” – group
>>>> behaviour that is created rather than instinctual, with interesting
>>>> theorising (I must read myself). We need to shift our mindset to not
>>>> separate man from animal, appreciating interconnectedness and relationality
>>>> perhaps, and this writer was writing in this way. The second link will take
>>>> you to a PDF file. *
>>>>
>>>> *https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4198597-the-soul-of-the-ape
>>>> <https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4198597-the-soul-of-the-ape>*
>>>>
>>>> *https://www.radiantlunatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TheSoulOfTheWhiteAnt.pdf
>>>> <https://www.radiantlunatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TheSoulOfTheWhiteAnt.pdf>*
>>>>
>>>> *But it looks like maybe you are asking how we do things contrary to
>>>> the good judgement and abilities that we have. Maybe you can clarify for us
>>>> a particular dilemma you have in mind, how you see this mindset, is it
>>>> something such as even though people have empathy and social skills, they
>>>> have a mindset that justifies them to hurt some people to reach their
>>>> goals?*
>>>>
>>>> *Regards*
>>>>
>>>> *Annalie*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> On Behalf Of Harshad DaveSent: Saturday,
>>>> 17 August 2019 11:08 AMTo: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>Subject: [Xmca-l] The
>>>> Mindset.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Hi all,*
>>>>
>>>> *You will agree that no man in this world is free from his mindset that
>>>> he developed during the journey of his growth from childhood to his
>>>> prevailing age. His mindset plays an influential role while he deals with
>>>> outside world. Even if the person has competent abilities, his mindset may
>>>> not permit the application of his appropriate abilities at right time and
>>>> on event, as if it (mindset) is a filter put before application of
>>>> abilities. Presently I am working on it and I need your help at one point.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *"Do animals have mindset or they are free from it?"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *with true regards,*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Harshad Dave  *
>>>>
>>>>
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