[Xmca-l] Re: New Year's Perezhivanie

[Alfredo Jornet Gil]

That surely has a touch of catharsis to it, Beth, thanks for sharing!
Alfredo
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From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> on behalf of Beth Ferholt <bferholt@gmail.com>
Sent: 03 January 2017 16:50
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Cc: mike cole
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: New Year's Perezhivanie

Several people did tell me, independently, that the great end of the John
Oliver segment on 2016, where different NYers curse 2016 on the street,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ6WPo-oW5Q, helped them to overcome
feelings of despair at the end of last year.  So maybe it is related to
perezhivanie.  But maybe just to one part of the process. Beth

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 6:45 PM, <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
> When you use the phrase (by this poltical hammering) then i would suggest
> this political  activity is not capturing the full  meaning of perezhivanie.
> My reason for saying this must first refer to page 5 of the article where
> perezhivanie’s meaning is approached through the
> meaningfulness-meaninglessness opposition and the back and forth within
> this struggle.
> The image of the hammer as presented has its source in the meaning-forming
> motive proceeding in a direction towards realization of her meaning-forming
> political motives. Only within this aspect of the opposition will the
> situation in the image HAVE meaning and BE meaningful.
> Vasilyuk however  adds the other aspect : If things are proceeding
> OTHERWISE the situation becomes meaningless (LP – and then we enter the
> crisis of meaninglessness – the otherwise - where words no longer mediate
> the situation).
>
> This nature of perezhivanie Vasilyuk metaphorically describes as learning
> ( as ENTERING INTO) this type of meaning that is NOT formal, scientific
> conceptual knowledge. It is a place of moods and shifting experiences.
>
> So in my reading of perezhivanie there is this tension between (entering
> into) volitional acts and the alternative aspect of perizihavanie as
> overwhelming crisis of  (meaninglessness) which must be mediated and the
> mediators transformed.
>
> Turning back to page 2  and the situation where Macduff must feel his
> situation as a man when his entire family are killed. No practical activity
> can bring his family back. Another type of work is needed (and necessary)
> which Macduff calls (feeling the situation as a man). THIS WORK Vasilyuk
> calls perezhivanie.
>
> So, my way of reading the image of the hammer smashing 2016 highlights the
> aspect of (entering into) a meaningful motive as (political activity) that
> is represented but what is not is the alternative,  represented in the
> crisis of meaninglessness that is the other aspect of perezhivanie.
> Marc Clara speaks of the mediator that transforms this crisis of
> experiencing, but i am not sure the  the image of the girl and hammer
> portrays the aspect of perezhivanie as involving a transformative mediator
> existing between meaningfulness and meaninglessness?
> That time when words and practical activity fail and the person is facing
> existential dread when (feeling as a man) that all hope has left the world.
> That moment is the moment in which Clara opened and (entered into) her
> article exploring the two notions of perizhivanie using the same word.
> At the heart of this matter is the existential dread of  meaninglessness
> unique for each person and our ways of answering as alternative waysthat
> give a deep sense of meaningfulness.
> It is here that there is overlap with last month’s article where Zukerman
> addressed the unique existential aspect entering into cultural historical
> (human paths)
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
> From: mike cole
> Sent: January 2, 2017 12:06 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: New Year's Perezhivanie
>
> The pieces of brick thrown up by this political hammering have not yet
> fallen and made the devastation personally experienced by the nation/world.
>
> Still, genuinely, we can wish all of us 7.3 billion well in the new year.
>
> So what do you think chuck, is this a good representation of perezhivanie?
> :-)
> Mike
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 11:24 AM Charles Bazerman <
> bazerman@education.ucsb.edu> wrote:
>
> > So you think 2017 has any hope of being any better?
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu>
> >
> > Date: Monday, January 2, 2017 11:01 am
> >
> > Subject: [Xmca-l]  New Year's Perezhivanie
> >
> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> >
> >
> >
> > > With the New Year, as our Russian colleagues put it!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > This image forwarded from a friend more or less sums up my experience
> >
> > > of
> >
> > > the past year. Thought you might find it interesting too.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Vis a vis the discussion of perezhivanie: Does this image provide us
> with
> >
> > > used (re-presented) behavioral evidence of a person undergoing
> > perezhivanie?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Looking forward to the discussion.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Feliz año nuevo!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Beth Ferholt
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