[Xmca-l] Re: Conductivism

Tue Aug 9 19:36:36 PDT 2016

Dear Natalia,

Can it be "shared" as an free e-learning module? So people can register to
this "online class" and watch it? I speak Portuguese, but I wanted to show
this movie to some colleagues here in Japan that can understand English.

Wagner

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Natalia Gajdamaschko <nataliag@sfu.ca>
wrote:

> I am not sure, Andy, but will ask -- via interlibrary loan, perhaps?  I
> don't think we can just broadcast it here.
> NG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
> To: "Natalia Gajdamaschko" <nataliag@sfu.ca>, "eXtended Mind, Culture,
> Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 6:19:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Xmca-l] Re: Conductivism
>
> Wow! I think people on this list would like to see it. Any
> chance you could convince your university to share it more
> widely?
>
> Andy
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Blunden
> http://home.mira.net/~andy
> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>
> On 10/08/2016 11:15 AM, Natalia Gajdamaschko wrote:
> > Hi Andy,
> > I have a copy of "Butterflies of Zagorsk" and it is not a pirated one,
> it was bought by Simon Fraser University at my request many years ago from
> BBC. Students like it.
> > Cheers,
> > Natalia.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
> > To: xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:54:17 PM
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Conductivism
> >
> > Here is what Andrew said when I asked him about Butterflies:
> >
> > Dear Andy,
> > Yes, Lois Holzman is sort of right. Around 25 or so years
> > ago the world was rather different from today and the BBC
> > was easily persuaded to invest the small fortune that it
> > took to make a number of documentary films around the theme
> > of the transformability of human psychic development. Not
> > only did I spark these off but served as 'technical advisor'
> > to all of them and was quite closely involved in their
> > making. The BBC distributed information to viewers who wrote
> > in after seeing the programmes, and even published a small
> > book. It was all great fun and for while I risked a little
> > optimism, but the world changed... They were quite good
> > films in their way. Not at a technical level, if by that one
> > means in terms of how well they portrayed the
> > psycho-educational principles and the philosophies that each
> > concerned, but as propaganda that move people who knew. The
> > director and writer had their own ideas of what could make
> > powerful television and parts of all these films are
> > technically weak at what I regarded as their central themes.
> > What did I know, though? I was just pleased to let Ann Paul
> > the producer/director and Michael Dean the writer have their
> > head. One of the films enjoyed some critical acclaim and
> > even for a time affected social policy at the national level
> > (not The Butterflies of Zagorsk). Many professionals in the
> > relevant sectors hated them. That was all fun too. The
> > Butterflies of Zagorsk was a hour long, and perhaps it might
> > have been better at more tightly edited at fifty minutes. At
> > the superficial level it portrayed the work of the Deaf-Bind
> > Children's Home at Zagorsk (now Sergiev Posad). that was the
> > concrete heritage of Sololyanskii and Meshcheriyakov, and of
> > course Il'enkov, represented in still living pedagogy and
> > upbringing. More deeply it tried to convey the
> > social-cultural/historical understanding of L. S.
> > Vygotskii's social-cultural/historical understanding and
> > what this implies. So, Lois Holzman rather overstated my
> > role in all this. I did not make them and had no formal
> > ownership. Ownership was with the BBC and the BBC is
> > notoriously jealous of its intellectual property – hence
> > their later absence from YouTube. One could for a while buy
> > tapes of these films above board (at a fiendish cost) but
> > following major reorganisation at the BBC, including closure
> > of its Documentaries Department, this facility disappeared.
> > A few years ago I wrote to ask about the present situation
> > but could find no one at the BBC who knew even how to find
> > out about this, and by then I knew nobody higher up who
> > could lean on the organisation! As an an immediate response
> > to your question about availability' of The Butterflies of
> > Zagorsk I can give only the same answer that I have had to
> > give so many times over the years. Unless you come across a
> > copy of a pirated example somewhere, you may search in vain.
> > I do not have one myself (the early nineties were tumultuous
> > times for me), nor do I think that Ann Paul (long now
> > retired) has either. I am in Germany for a few days at the
> > moment but when I get back I shall follow one lead that
> > occurs to me. Nil desperandum, but don't hold your breath!
> > Of course, if your Portuguese is up to it, in the meantime
> > you can watch this film on YouTube, under the title of As
> > borboletas de Zagorsk.:
> > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKnQt9F--
> NgHfOKHCpRwxKClD4Eo0lY87I
> > suspect that this is a pirated version of a 'official'
> > version sold abroad by the BBC, probably for broadcast in
> > Brazil. It sold the film to other foreign broadcasting
> > companies too, so a thorough search might find other
> > leads.The Portuguese one references above is a terrible
> > print, and of course probably loses something in translation
> > of what the original actually said. Look up the Portuguese
> > title on Google, though, and you will see that even so the
> > film is still powerful enough to attract attention. Best
> > answer that I can offer in my present situation, Andrew.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Andy Blunden http://home.mira.net/~andy
> > http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
> >
> > On 5/08/2016 11:27 AM, Lois Holzman wrote:
> >> Hi Andy,
> >> I know of it through Andrew Sutton andrew@conductive-education.org.uk
> >>
> >> http://e-conduction.org/ceinformation/category/andrew-sutton/ <
> http://e-conduction.org/ceinformation/category/andrew-sutton/>
> >> http://www.blurb.com/b/1736366-internationalising-conductive-education
> <http://www.blurb.com/b/1736366-internationalising-conductive-education>
> >> /http://www.specialworld.net/2016/04/05/conductive-
> education-the-unfinished-story/ <http://www.specialworld.net/
> 2016/04/05/conductive-education-the-unfinished-story/>—read this one for
> the latest
> >> http://www.conductive-world.info <http://www.conductive-world.info/>—Andrew's
> site
> >>
> >> I met Andrew a long time ago because as the person who made the
> documentary Butterflies of Zagorsk (mentioned on XMCA a bunch of times) and
> learned of his work with conductive education from him.
> >>
> >> I hope this is helpful.
> >>
> >> Lois
> >>
> >> Lois Holzman
> >> Director, East Side Institute for Group & Short Term Psychotherapy
> >> 119 West 23 St, suite 902
> >> New York, NY 10011
> >> Chair, Global Outreach, All Stars Project, UX
> >> Tel. +1.212.941.8906 x324
> >> Fax +1.718.797.3966
> >> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org
> >> Social Media
> >> Facebook  <https://www.facebook.com/lois.holzman.5>| LinkedIn <
> http://www.%20linkedin.com/pub/lois-holzman> | Twitter <
> https://twitter.com/LoisHolzman>
> >> Blogs
> >> Psychology Today <http://www.psychologytoday.
> com/blog/conceptual-revolution>| Psychology of Becoming <
> http://loisholzman.org/> | Mad in America <http://www.madinamerica.com/
> author/lois/>
> >> Websites
> >> Lois Holzman <http://loisholzman.org/> | East Side Institute <
> http://eastsideinstitute.org/> | Performing the World <http://www.
> performingtheworld.org/>
> >> All Stars Project <http://allstars.org/>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone know anything about "conductivism"?
> >>>
> >>> I understand it is a school of educational psychology which is used in
> the education of severely disabled children, it came out of Hungary and
> they have an interest in Vygotsky. And I think the name is an allusion to
> the "conductor" of an orchestra.
> >>>
> >>> Andy
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> Andy Blunden
> >>> http://home.mira.net/~andy
> >>> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
> >>
> >
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