[Xmca-l] Re: Conductivism

Tue Aug 9 18:25:06 PDT 2016

I am not sure, Andy, but will ask -- via interlibrary loan, perhaps?  I don't think we can just broadcast it here.
NG 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
To: "Natalia Gajdamaschko" <nataliag@sfu.ca>, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 6:19:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Xmca-l] Re: Conductivism

Wow! I think people on this list would like to see it. Any 
chance you could convince your university to share it more 
widely?

Andy

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On 10/08/2016 11:15 AM, Natalia Gajdamaschko wrote:
> Hi Andy,
> I have a copy of "Butterflies of Zagorsk" and it is not a pirated one, it was bought by Simon Fraser University at my request many years ago from BBC. Students like it.
> Cheers,
> Natalia.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
> To: xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:54:17 PM
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Conductivism
>
> Here is what Andrew said when I asked him about Butterflies:
>
> Dear Andy,
> Yes, Lois Holzman is sort of right. Around 25 or so years
> ago the world was rather different from today and the BBC
> was easily persuaded to invest the small fortune that it
> took to make a number of documentary films around the theme
> of the transformability of human psychic development. Not
> only did I spark these off but served as 'technical advisor'
> to all of them and was quite closely involved in their
> making. The BBC distributed information to viewers who wrote
> in after seeing the programmes, and even published a small
> book. It was all great fun and for while I risked a little
> optimism, but the world changed... They were quite good
> films in their way. Not at a technical level, if by that one
> means in terms of how well they portrayed the
> psycho-educational principles and the philosophies that each
> concerned, but as propaganda that move people who knew. The
> director and writer had their own ideas of what could make
> powerful television and parts of all these films are
> technically weak at what I regarded as their central themes.
> What did I know, though? I was just pleased to let Ann Paul
> the producer/director and Michael Dean the writer have their
> head. One of the films enjoyed some critical acclaim and
> even for a time affected social policy at the national level
> (not The Butterflies of Zagorsk). Many professionals in the
> relevant sectors hated them. That was all fun too. The
> Butterflies of Zagorsk was a hour long, and perhaps it might
> have been better at more tightly edited at fifty minutes. At
> the superficial level it portrayed the work of the Deaf-Bind
> Children's Home at Zagorsk (now Sergiev Posad). that was the
> concrete heritage of Sololyanskii and Meshcheriyakov, and of
> course Il'enkov, represented in still living pedagogy and
> upbringing. More deeply it tried to convey the
> social-cultural/historical understanding of L. S.
> Vygotskii's social-cultural/historical understanding and
> what this implies. So, Lois Holzman rather overstated my
> role in all this. I did not make them and had no formal
> ownership. Ownership was with the BBC and the BBC is
> notoriously jealous of its intellectual property – hence
> their later absence from YouTube. One could for a while buy
> tapes of these films above board (at a fiendish cost) but
> following major reorganisation at the BBC, including closure
> of its Documentaries Department, this facility disappeared.
> A few years ago I wrote to ask about the present situation
> but could find no one at the BBC who knew even how to find
> out about this, and by then I knew nobody higher up who
> could lean on the organisation! As an an immediate response
> to your question about availability' of The Butterflies of
> Zagorsk I can give only the same answer that I have had to
> give so many times over the years. Unless you come across a
> copy of a pirated example somewhere, you may search in vain.
> I do not have one myself (the early nineties were tumultuous
> times for me), nor do I think that Ann Paul (long now
> retired) has either. I am in Germany for a few days at the
> moment but when I get back I shall follow one lead that
> occurs to me. Nil desperandum, but don't hold your breath!
> Of course, if your Portuguese is up to it, in the meantime
> you can watch this film on YouTube, under the title of As
> borboletas de Zagorsk.:
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKnQt9F--NgHfOKHCpRwxKClD4Eo0lY87I
> suspect that this is a pirated version of a 'official'
> version sold abroad by the BBC, probably for broadcast in
> Brazil. It sold the film to other foreign broadcasting
> companies too, so a thorough search might find other
> leads.The Portuguese one references above is a terrible
> print, and of course probably loses something in translation
> of what the original actually said. Look up the Portuguese
> title on Google, though, and you will see that even so the
> film is still powerful enough to attract attention. Best
> answer that I can offer in my present situation, Andrew.
>
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> Andy Blunden http://home.mira.net/~andy
> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
>
> On 5/08/2016 11:27 AM, Lois Holzman wrote:
>> Hi Andy,
>> I know of it through Andrew Sutton andrew@conductive-education.org.uk
>>
>> http://e-conduction.org/ceinformation/category/andrew-sutton/ <http://e-conduction.org/ceinformation/category/andrew-sutton/>
>> http://www.blurb.com/b/1736366-internationalising-conductive-education <http://www.blurb.com/b/1736366-internationalising-conductive-education>
>> /http://www.specialworld.net/2016/04/05/conductive-education-the-unfinished-story/ <http://www.specialworld.net/2016/04/05/conductive-education-the-unfinished-story/>—read this one for the latest
>> http://www.conductive-world.info <http://www.conductive-world.info/>—Andrew's site
>>
>> I met Andrew a long time ago because as the person who made the documentary Butterflies of Zagorsk (mentioned on XMCA a bunch of times) and learned of his work with conductive education from him.
>>
>> I hope this is helpful.
>>
>> Lois
>>
>> Lois Holzman
>> Director, East Side Institute for Group & Short Term Psychotherapy
>> 119 West 23 St, suite 902
>> New York, NY 10011
>> Chair, Global Outreach, All Stars Project, UX
>> Tel. +1.212.941.8906 x324
>> Fax +1.718.797.3966
>> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org
>> Social Media
>> Facebook  <https://www.facebook.com/lois.holzman.5>| LinkedIn <http://www.%20linkedin.com/pub/lois-holzman> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/LoisHolzman>
>> Blogs
>> Psychology Today <http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/conceptual-revolution>| Psychology of Becoming <http://loisholzman.org/> | Mad in America <http://www.madinamerica.com/author/lois/>
>> Websites
>> Lois Holzman <http://loisholzman.org/> | East Side Institute <http://eastsideinstitute.org/> | Performing the World <http://www.performingtheworld.org/>
>> All Stars Project <http://allstars.org/>
>>
>>    
>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know anything about "conductivism"?
>>>
>>> I understand it is a school of educational psychology which is used in the education of severely disabled children, it came out of Hungary and they have an interest in Vygotsky. And I think the name is an allusion to the "conductor" of an orchestra.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
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>>> Andy Blunden
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>>> http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
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