[Xmca-l] Re: Perezhivanie, again

Sat Aug 22 18:08:57 PDT 2015

Andy
If you haven’t yet you might want to take a look at Michael Michell’s PhD
thesis ‘Academic engagement and agency in multilingual middle year
classrooms’ as I think he may have done some of that work.

I just found it  online,
https://opus.lib.uts.edu.au/research/bitstream/handle/10453/21824/01front.p
df?sequence=1 

On 23/08/2015 10:21 am, "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

>Lubomir,
>recently I have been studying Vasilyuk's 1984/1988 book on
>perezhivanie, where he has a typology of 4 types of
>perezhivanie, based mainly on the extent and depth of
>catharsis required by the traumatic past experience.
>Vasilyuk says that the will is the central neoformation (to
>use Vygotsky's novel term) which does the creative work of
>reconstructing the personality through perezhivanija. This
>puts me in mind of Vygotsky's claim that it is through the
>succession of childhood crises that mark the passage between
>the series of social situations of development that the
>child's will is developed, each crisis entailing specific
>qualities of will. This to me suggests a number of links
>that I am not aware of having been filled out. Beth Ferholt,
>Monica Nilsson and others have done work on the elementary
>forms of perezhivanie in childhood, but I do not know of
>connections with the development of the will and of personality.
>Can you fill in any gaps here?
>Andy
>------------------------------------------------------------
>*Andy Blunden*
>http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
>On 23/08/2015 3:49 AM, Lubomir Savov Popov wrote:
>> Hi Larry,
>>
>> Essay is a very situational translation of perezhivanie or opit. It is
>>too much of a stretch.
>>
>> By the way, the root of perezhivanie is zhiv which is also the root for
>>life, live, and anything that is derived from them. In this line of
>>thought, "lived experience" might be the closest English translation,
>>although I am not sure how close it is.
>>
>> Pereshivanie presupposes life experience, but not every life
>>experience. It refers only to experience that involves a lot of feelings
>>and emotions, as well as some kind of rethinking of that situation (I
>>would not say reflection because it is a much stronger category). The
>>study of katarzis can shed light here, although katarzis is an extreme
>>case and should not be a required condition for perezhivanie.
>>
>> Pere- is a prefix that modifies a verb or another part of speech to
>>emphasize a process, action, transforming something, overcoming
>>something, passing through something in space, indicating an extra level
>>of something, and so on. It means too many different things in different
>>situations and words. Maybe someone else will help here. Right now I am
>>not in my best shape about that.
>>
>> Google translate is helpless in translating perezhivanie, although it
>>is very good for ordinal numbers and some the names of animals. Besides,
>>the translation of perezhivanie should start with the clarification of
>>the Russian concept (which is a hell of a time) and then searching for
>>English word that is very close to it. If there are no English words,
>>than we can just use it as it is. There are many such examples in
>>English. I remember that the mas media do not translate the word for the
>>Afgan national assembly and use the local word Ghirga or something like
>>that.
>>
>> Opit is easy to translate in English. It is work experience, life
>>experience, . More or less, and some people might even say, almost
>>exactly.
>>
>> Lubomir
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>>Lplarry
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>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Kozol's writing place
>>
>> Another "link" back to "opyt" as "experience".
>> One trans/lation I found of "opyt" is "essay" which  opens a door into
>>the "creative" Process of art forms .
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Robert Lake" <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
>> Sent: ‎2015-‎08-‎22 10:10 AM
>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Kozol's writing place
>>
>> Thanks  Henry. I kept thinking of Vera's book as well I was watching it.
>> RL
>> On Aug 22, 2015 1:04 PM, "HENRY SHONERD" <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Robert,
>>> The whole half hour interview is worth a whole lot! Thank you! Things
>>> I especially liked: His sharing of the artifacts, his messy method,
>>> and , of course,  the place where he writes.( Larry Purss just shared
>>> an article on Meade that cites the trascendetalists of 19th Century
>>> America, who I associate with the very kind of New England house where
>>> Kozol writes.) All of the interview reminded me of Vera John Steiner’s
>>> Notebooks of the Mind on the creative process. And the importance of
>>> lived experience Who couldn’t love the guy? And they fired him!
>>> Henry
>>>
>>>> On Aug 21, 2015, at 2:19 PM, Robert Lake
>>>> <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>> The first 12 minutes of th
>>>> e program linked below
>>>> are worth watching
>>>>  because shed light on Kozol's creative process of writing and
>>>> reveal
>>> some
>>>> of the sources of his inspiration to write.
>>>> Langston Hughes sent Kozol an
>>>> autographed
>>>> photo
>>>>  of himself
>>>>
>>>> after
>>>>
>>>> Kozol
>>>> was fired
>>>>  from his first teaching job
>>>> for reading one of
>>>> Hughes'
>>>> poems in a high school English class.
>>>> 
>>>> Kozol
>>>> says reading Rilke, Yeats and Auden are his soul foo d and  he
>>>> was also a personal friend of Mister Rogers.* Who knew?*
>>>> http://www.c-span.org/video/?288596-2/jonathan-kozol-writing-books.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Lake  Ed.D.
>>>> Associate Professor
>>>> Social Foundations of Education
>>>> Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading Georgia Southern
>>>> University
>>>> Secretary/Treasurer-AERA- Paulo Freire Special Interest Group P. O.
>>>> Box 8144
>>>> Phone: (912) 478-0355
>>>> Fax: (912) 478-5382
>>>> Statesboro, GA  30460
>>>> *He not busy being born is busy dying.* Bob Dylan (1964).
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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