[Xmca-l] Re: Watch "Venezuelan Protests: Another Attempt By U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected Government?" on YouTube

mike cole lchcmike@gmail.com
Mon Feb 24 15:06:57 PST 2014 

Dear info at arto.me  and all of xmca

The use of invective language on xmca is unacceptable. Agree or disagree
about Venezuelan, Ukrainian, Stalinist, etc truths/certainties and other
virtues,
*XMCA is not the place for name calling. *

mike at ucsd dot edu










On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM, info@arto.me <info@arto.me> wrote:

> "Independent human rights organizations"?  Right, you must enjoy
> drinking Leopoldo Lopez's Kool Aid.
>
> I share this illuminating article by Max Blumenthal on Lopez, the great
> democratic hope of Venezuelan capitalists:
> http://maxblumenthal.com/2014/02/who-is-leopoldo-lopez/
>
> On 02/24/2014 05:14 PM, David Preiss wrote:
> > I will leave you the last word here as regards the political analysis
> > but will keep trusting the word of independent human rights
> > organizarions, specially those with observers on the ground. (And,
> > certainly, Stalin is not my guy.)
> >
> > Enviado desde mi iPhone
> >
> > El 24-02-2014, a las 18:46, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> > escribió:
> >
> >> Dijo Guevara el hermoso, viendo al África llorar: en el imperio
> >> mañoso nunca se debe confiar
> >>
> >> Silvio Rodriguez
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >> I remember Stalin quoted to say, opening a world map in front of
> >> him on the table, after the 2nd WW, indicating to US and other
> >> imperialist powers and pointing to the red part of the world map
> >> where socialist constructions were under way:
> >>
> >> "They will never admit this, never".
> >>
> >> And he was right.
> >>
> >> Imperialism can never be trusted, never.
> >>
> >> Is it not  US and other imperialism which caused tens of millions
> >> of dead? Is it like a joke that many people mention crimes in the
> >> Soviet Union etc, when they think to crimes against humanity and
> >> tend to forget about these two imperialist world wars, besides many
> >> others, Viet Nam.
> >>
> >> It is a complete a brain washing mechanism to close the way to
> >> humanity for a historical emancipation from imperialism and
> >> capitalism. By this, they say, "socialism is as bad as capitalism,
> >> so there is no successful exit from capitalism and imperialism.
> >> You are condemned to capitalism".
> >>
> >> Ulvi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-02-24 23:26 GMT+02:00 Peter Farruggio <pfarruggio@utpa.edu>:
> >>
> >>> Don't underestimate the determination and cravenness of US
> >>> imperialism. Similar to Ukraine,this is a classic right wing coup
> >>> in the making
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-cia-and-u-s-defense-intelligence-agency-calling-for-armed-clashes-bloodshed-to-justify-military-intervention/5357989
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> ________________________________________
> >>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> >>> [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] on behalf of Langer-Osuna,
> >>> Jennifer Marie [jlangerosuna@miami.edu] Sent: Monday, February
> >>> 24, 2014 9:19 AM To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject:
> >>> [Xmca-l] Re: Watch "Venezuelan Protests: Another Attempt
> >>> By U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected   Government?"
> >>> on YouTube
> >>>
> >>> Here's a blog that has some videos from Venezuela:
> >>>
> >>> http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/19/19f/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jennifer M. Langer-Osuna, PhD Assistant Professor, Department of
> >>> Teaching and Learning University of Miami School of Education and
> >>> Human Development 222-H Merrick Building Coral Gables, FL
> >>> 33124-2040 Off: (305) 284-3206 Fax: (305) 284-6998
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message----- From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> >>> [mailto: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of David
> >>> Preiss Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 10:08 AM To: eXtended
> >>> Mind, Culture, Activity Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Watch "Venezuelan Protests: Another Attempt
> >>> By U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected Government?" on
> >>> YouTube
> >>>
> >>> There are THOUSANDS of pictures in Twitter and facebook. Search
> >>> "Tachira" in Twitter search, for instance. You can find there
> >>> images of army planes flying over protestors, paramilitary
> >>> shooting at people, protest violence and barricades, police
> >>> shooting at residential compounds and so on. And of course
> >>> political satire and people fighting each other verbally. Or
> >>> just search for Venezuela there. Indeed as most of the media are
> >>> censored there a large part of the info is coming out from
> >>> Twitter. That's why they shut down internet in San Cristobal.
> >>> Once there you will find the most popular hashtags used for both
> >>> sides.
> >>>
> >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
> >>>
> >>> El 24-02-2014, a las 11:52, "Glassman, Michael"
> >>> <glassman.13@osu.edu> escribió:
> >>>
> >>>> One of the interesting things to consider, at least to me, is
> >>>> the role
> >>> of the Internet and sharing of information.  There have been
> >>> competing articles on Venezuela and also for that matter the
> >>> Ukraine.  The different streams of information in themselves are
> >>> fascinating and really speak to growing needs to be able to
> >>> organize and differentiate information across topics.  But what
> >>> seems missing from the Venezuela story are the pictures - the
> >>> Twitter or Youtube public documentation of large, spontaneous
> >>> protests (there are these types of pictures from the Ukraine
> >>> which is one of the reasons perhaps people have taken it more
> >>> seriously - although I am having a harder time finding good
> >>> information on the meaning behind what is happening).  I wonder
> >>> if a new initial hurdle for taking these types of movement
> >>> towards change seriously are these types of easily available
> >>> visual images that are not easy to manipulate.
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael ________________________________________ From:
> >>>> xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> >>>> [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu]
> >>> on behalf of David Preiss [daviddpreiss@gmail.com]
> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 8:50 AM To: eXtended Mind,
> >>>> Culture, Activity Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject:
> >>>> [Xmca-l] Re: Watch "Venezuelan Protests: Another Attempt By
> >>> U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected Government?" on
> >>> YouTube
> >>>>
> >>>> Allende 1973 is not Maduro 2014. They are very different
> >>>> leaders and
> >>> their commitment to democracy is substantially different.
> >>> Certainly there are extreme right members in the Venezuelan
> >>> opposition as well. But it is Maduro the one taking the military
> >>> into the streets of Tachira, censuring the media, cutting
> >>> internet access to a full city among many other measures that
> >>> qualify as not properly democratic.  And I haven't mentioned the
> >>> actions of the government paramilitary yet. There is many people
> >>> in South America that are not "imperialist" but former opposition
> >>> to Pinochet and other dictatorships denouncing Venezuela's
> >>> government. I am not going to elaborate further because it is off
> >>> topic for most members of this list. Please  go directly to the
> >>> websites of Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch and see
> >>> what they are reporting Thanks. David
> >>>>
> >>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> El 24-02-2014, a las 8:43, Peter Farruggio
> >>>> <pfarruggio@utpa.edu>
> >>> escribió:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The current situation in Venezuela looks like the typical
> >>>>> imperialist
> >>> "destabilization" tactic against an elected government that is
> >>> not a puppet of Wall Street. Very similar things were done to
> >>> Allende's government in Chile and to Mossadegh's nationalist
> >>> government in Iran in 1953, where operatives in the US embassy
> >>> paid armed street gangs to rampage and incite violence.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's unfortunate that the corporate media has such a monopoly
> >>>>> on
> >>> information, especially in the US, so that all we seem to get is
> >>> anti-government bias in the "reportage" from Venezuela.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here are some alternatives
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://wearechange.org/us-supporting-oligarch-coup-attempt-venezuela/
> >>>
> >>>>>
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/18/venezuela-protests-us-support-regime-change-mistake
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://rt.com/news/golinger-documents-venezuela-destabilization-299/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/6418
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ________________________________________ From:
> >>>>> xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> >>>>> [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu]
> >>> on behalf of Dr. Paul C. Mocombe [pmocombe@mocombeian.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 11:47 AM To: eXtended Mind,
> >>>>> Culture, Activity Subject: [Xmca-l] Watch "Venezuelan
> >>>>> Protests: Another Attempt By
> >>> U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected Government?" on
> >>> YouTube
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have some issues with your interpretation of what is going
> >>>>> on
> >>> venezuela...
> >>>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVOqhUl6Dp8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> Dr. Paul C. Mocombe
> >>>>> President The Mocombeian Foundation, Inc. www.mocombeian.com
> >>>>> www.readingroomcurriculum.com www.paulcmocombe.info
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
>

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