[Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology
Ed Wall
ewall@umich.edu
Wed Dec 17 13:39:49 PST 2014
Well, flies often fly in rings (smile).
Ed
On Dec 17, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Martin John Packer wrote:
> Well, in both cases they were trying to identify the basic principles in a specific area of knowledge: physics in one case, math the other.
>
> And both Chomsky and Husserl were trying to locate their respective projects in a history of rationalist thinking about the nature of mind.
>
> But I take your point. There's not much similarity between 'Lord of the Rings' and 'Lord of the Flies.'
>
> Or is there...?
>
> :)
>
> Martin
>
> On Dec 17, 2014, at 4:12 PM, Ed Wall <ewall@umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> Russell & Whitehead (and Wittgensten) wrote Principia Mathematica and Newton wrote Principia Mathematica. That there is a resemblance, in many ways, doesn't necessarily follow.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Martin John Packer wrote:
>>
>>> Chomsky wrote a book called 'Cartesian Linguistics.'
>>>
>>> Husserl wrote one called 'Cartesian Meditations'!
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Dr. Paul C. Mocombe <pmocombe@mocombeian.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Vera,
>>>>
>>>> When you say chomsky is a Cartesian are you saying he is a rationalist in the kantian camp? Chomsky refers to himself and his efforts as kantian. By no means would i call kant a Cartesian. I would call Husserl a Cartesian? But not Kant and Chomsky. ..see the video below:
>>>>
>>>> Watch "Noam Chomsky - Ideas of Chomsky BBC Interview (fu…" on YouTube
>>>> Noam Chomsky - Ideas of Chomsky BBC Interview (fu…: http://youtu.be/3LqUA7W9wfg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Paul C. Mocombe
>>>> President
>>>> The Mocombeian Foundation, Inc.
>>>> www.mocombeian.com
>>>> www.readingroomcurriculum.com
>>>> www.paulcmocombe.info
>>>>
>>>> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Vera John-Steiner <vygotsky@unm.edu> </div><div>Date:12/17/2014 12:53 PM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: "'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu> </div><div>Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology </div><div>
>>>> </div>While Chomsky is indeed very influential his approach to language and its
>>>> acquisition is opposite to that of Vygotsky. He focuses on syntax while
>>>> Vygotsky focuses on semantics.
>>>> He proposes an innate language acquisition device while Vygotsky approaches
>>>> language developmentally. (I am repeating some of Carol's points.) He is a
>>>> Cartesian,while Vygotsky
>>>> Opposed mind/body dualism. And the list goes on.
>>>> I don't think he can be integrated into CHAT.
>>>> Vera
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>> [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol Macdonald
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37 AM
>>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology
>>>>
>>>> Do you think Chomsky knows he is? Howard Gardner is a very generous fellow.
>>>>
>>>> On 17 December 2014 at 16:28, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> oh, I just read your second paragraph...
>>>>>
>>>>> Howard Gardner lists Noam Chomsky as one of the "founders of cognitive
>>>>> science," along with Jerome Bruner, John McCarthy, George Miller, and
>>>>> Allen Newell (1985, p. 23).
>>>>>
>>>>> Gardner, H. (1985). The mind's new science: A history of the cognitive
>>>>> revolution. New York: Basic Books.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well yes, and as linguistic and psychology student I was very proud
>>>>>> of
>>>>> him
>>>>>> for his review, it made me laugh and laugh. But Chomsky never read
>>>>> Piaget
>>>>>> or Vygotsky. He would have been interested in Vygotsky's
>>>>>> interpretation
>>>>> of
>>>>>> Behaviousrism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to cognitive psychology - well I suppose we should be pleased,
>>>>>> but Chomsky had no direct hand in that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17 December 2014 at 14:49, Martin John Packer <
>>>>> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chomsky knew enough about psychology to write a devastating review of
>>>> B.
>>>>>>> F. Skinner's book 'Verbal behavior,' which still makes very
>>>>>>> interesting reading. And Chomsky's own book 'Syntactic Structures'
>>>>>>> was one of the
>>>>> key
>>>>>>> components in the emergence of cognitive psychology in the late
>>>>>>> 1950s,
>>>>> as
>>>>>>> Howard Gardner's book makes clear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Carol A Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
>>>>>> Developmental psycholinguist
>>>>>> Academic, Researcher, and Editor
>>>>>> Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carol A Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
>>>> Developmental psycholinguist
>>>> Academic, Researcher, and Editor
>>>> Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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