[Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology

[Martin John Packer]

Well, in both cases they were trying to identify the basic principles in a specific area of knowledge: physics in one case, math the other.

And both Chomsky and Husserl were trying to locate their respective projects in a history of rationalist thinking about the nature of mind. 

But I take your point. There's not much similarity between 'Lord of the Rings' and 'Lord of the Flies.' 

Or is there...?

:)

Martin

On Dec 17, 2014, at 4:12 PM, Ed Wall <ewall@umich.edu> wrote:

> Russell & Whitehead (and Wittgensten) wrote Principia Mathematica and Newton wrote Principia Mathematica. That there is a resemblance, in many ways, doesn't necessarily follow.
> 
> Ed
> 
> On Dec 17, 2014, at  12:39 PM, Martin John Packer wrote:
> 
>> Chomsky wrote a book called 'Cartesian Linguistics.'
>> 
>> Husserl wrote one called 'Cartesian Meditations'!
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Dr. Paul C. Mocombe <pmocombe@mocombeian.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Vera,
>>> 
>>> When you say chomsky is a Cartesian are you saying he is a rationalist in the kantian camp?  Chomsky refers to himself and his efforts as kantian.  By no means would i call kant a Cartesian.  I would call Husserl a Cartesian? But not Kant and Chomsky. ..see the video below:
>>> 
>>> Watch "Noam Chomsky - Ideas of Chomsky BBC Interview (fu…" on YouTube
>>> Noam Chomsky - Ideas of Chomsky BBC Interview (fu…: http://youtu.be/3LqUA7W9wfg 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dr. Paul C. Mocombe
>>> President
>>> The Mocombeian Foundation, Inc.
>>> www.mocombeian.com 
>>> www.readingroomcurriculum.com 
>>> www.paulcmocombe.info 
>>> 
>>> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Vera John-Steiner <vygotsky@unm.edu> </div><div>Date:12/17/2014  12:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: "'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu> </div><div>Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology </div><div>
>>> </div>While Chomsky is indeed very influential his approach to language and its
>>> acquisition is opposite to that of Vygotsky. He focuses on syntax while
>>> Vygotsky focuses on semantics.
>>> He proposes an innate language acquisition device while Vygotsky approaches
>>> language developmentally. (I am repeating some of Carol's points.) He is a
>>> Cartesian,while Vygotsky
>>> Opposed mind/body dualism. And the list goes on.
>>> I don't think he can be integrated into CHAT.
>>> Vera
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>> [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol Macdonald
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37 AM
>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology
>>> 
>>> Do you think Chomsky knows he is? Howard Gardner is a very generous fellow.
>>> 
>>> On 17 December 2014 at 16:28, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> oh, I just read your second paragraph...
>>>> 
>>>> Howard Gardner lists Noam Chomsky as one of the "founders of cognitive 
>>>> science," along with Jerome Bruner, John McCarthy, George Miller, and 
>>>> Allen Newell (1985, p. 23).
>>>> 
>>>> Gardner, H. (1985). The mind's new science: A history of the cognitive 
>>>> revolution. New York: Basic Books.
>>>> 
>>>> Martin
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Well yes, and as linguistic and psychology student I was very proud 
>>>>> of
>>>> him
>>>>> for his review, it made me laugh and laugh.  But Chomsky never read
>>>> Piaget
>>>>> or Vygotsky.  He would have been interested in Vygotsky's 
>>>>> interpretation
>>>> of
>>>>> Behaviousrism.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As to cognitive psychology - well I suppose we should be pleased, 
>>>>> but Chomsky had no direct hand in that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Carol.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 17 December 2014 at 14:49, Martin John Packer <
>>>> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chomsky knew enough about psychology to write a devastating review of
>>> B.
>>>>>> F. Skinner's book 'Verbal behavior,' which still makes very 
>>>>>> interesting reading. And Chomsky's own book 'Syntactic Structures' 
>>>>>> was one of the
>>>> key
>>>>>> components in the emergence of cognitive psychology in the late 
>>>>>> 1950s,
>>>> as
>>>>>> Howard Gardner's book makes clear.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
>>>>> Developmental psycholinguist
>>>>> Academic, Researcher,  and Editor
>>>>> Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
>>> Developmental psycholinguist
>>> Academic, Researcher,  and Editor
>>> Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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