Re: [xmca] Ingold linking "figments" of imagination and "figments" of materiality as a single ontology

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Apt addition to the discussion, Larry.

I also want to "go back" to introduce what to me is a clear statement of
Bauman on liquidity. After going through the encyclopedia to get at a
notion of liquidity he sums up as follows:

What all these features of fluids amount to, in simple language, is that
liquids, unlike solids, cannot easily hold their shape. Fluids, so to
speak, neither fix space nor bind time. While solids have clear spatial
dimensions but neutralize the impact, and thus downgrade the significance,
of time (effectively resist its flow or render it irrelevant), fluids do
not keep any shape for long and are constantly ready (and prone) to change
it; and so for them it is the flow of time that counts, more than the space
they happen to occupy.

Seems a useful mode of thought to me, as applied to the forms of activity
flow that we struggle to analyze.

mike

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Andy
> I'm adding a quote from Stetsenko and Arievitch in the article they wrote
> for Jack Martin's edited book "The Sociocultural Turn in Psychology The
> Contextual Emergence of Mind and Self"
>
> The quote is from the section they title "Human Development as a
> Collaborative Process of Transforming the World"
>
> Therefore, human activity - material, practical, and always by necessity
> social collaborative processes aimed at transforming the world and people
> themselves - is taken in CHAT to be the basic form of human life, by which
> is created everything that is human in humans, including knowledge produced
> by them.
>
> Andy, in Jack Martin's latest writings Stetsenko's perspective now holds a
> place at center stage.
> Anna also suggest Activity theory must re-engage with "agency" and
> "subjectivity" as central aspects of our humannness that CHAT currently
> under theorizes. That's for another thread.
>
> Larry
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Andy
> > You wrote
> >
> >  I stretch the patience of my xmca friends by rabbiting on about projects
> > because, if this is the case, actual research needs to be done on
> > collaboration and projects. We need to learn more about collaboration,
> and
> > what faciitates or undermines the formation of long-term collaborations.
> Is
> > there any more important question?
> >
> > Andy, besides "courage" to change the world, patience is a virture I
> > suspect is alive and well among yur friends. My patience struggling to
> > grasp your perspective has been warmly rewarded many times over.
> >
> >  The research question and methods that develop to answer  the question
> > "about collaboration" as we ACT to "realize" collaboration and what
> > facilitates or undermines the formation of long-term collaborations I
> would
> > embrace as the BIG question worth grappling with.
> >
> > Andy, what may be CHAT's most significant perspective is the realization
> > that the process  making  collaborative acts "real" & the
> > process exploring, RE-searching  developing the compass  [tool]  to help
> us
> > "understand" and interpret "about collaboration" are the SAME
> SIMULTANEOUS
> > process.
> >
> > Larry
> >   On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Larry.
> >>
> >> Although I do agree that collaborative projects are needed as a response
> >> to the problems of modernity, my point is that "collaborative project"
> is a
> >> *unit of analysis* for social life, i.e., that everything we do is to be
> >> taken as part of collaborative projects. I stretch the patience of my
> xmca
> >> friends by rabbiting on about projects because, if this is the case,
> actual
> >> research needs to be done on collaboration and projects. We need to
> learn
> >> more about collaboration, and what faciitates or undermines the
> formation
> >> of long-term collaborations. Is there any more important question?
> >>
> >> The other point you raise about duration and liquidity: given that we
> >> cannot have recourse to any eternal abstractions, human nature, etc.,
> being
> >> able to theorise across duration is important, and collaborative
> projects
> >> do this because of the way individuals come and go, and are inducted
> along
> >> the way, actually weaving and maintaining durable social fabric, even as
> >> their identity changes. This gives a believable process for ideas and
> >> patterns of action which outlive individual persons. It responds to the
> >> observation about "liquidity" because projects continuously *realise*
> their
> >> aims, that is, aims and objectives (sources of motivation) are
> continuously
> >> revised in the light of the experience of the project. Projects are
> >> "iterative" as they say. Occupy?
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >> Larry Purss wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Mike, and others discussing solidity/fluidity.
> >>>
> >>> Andy is asking us to recognize the centrality for collaborative
> projects
> >>> to
> >>> be a meaningful response to the issues Bauman is articulating. ...
> >>>
> >>> Andy, I agree that collaborative projects are the answer to Bauman's
> >>> question. The question then becomes "what particular projects?"  My
> >>> suggestion is that these projects must be able to give an answer to the
> >>> limits and ambivalence of freedom and "self-expression". I also
> >>> intuitively
> >>> sense that the answers must also in*form structures of some "duration"
> >>> that
> >>> recognize not only who we "are" and who we are "becoming" but also are
> >>> structures which recognize who we "were".
> >>> ...
> >>> Larry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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