Re: [xmca] Re: Master's program based on CHAT

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

I saw this string after posting a couple of notes about what seemed
similar efforts/intuitions.

It seems that perhaps we should create a google groups for discussion
among those most interested in order not to overburden XMCA people who are
not interested, while reporting back when there is something to report.

The issues of credits/costs perplex me. My basic idea was that this would be
free. We might give a certificate of participation collectively, but beyond
that, I thought that those who are colleges/universities/etc who wanted
their students to participate would do so as a part of LOCAL classes with
local costs, local credits, etc.

>From your collective experience, is that naive? Lois, what finances are
involved in your case? I have no difficulty imagining UCSD cooperating with
SFU and others, but once admins get into it, I shudder to think of the
consequences.

mike

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Luisa Aires <laires11@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike
>
>
> I am away for two weeks and I would like to know if we are going to discuss
> this idea in a google group.
>
> I think we could discuss this idea as xmca and Iscar members in this first
> step, because the institutionalisation of this project, in this phase, may
> kill it ;-)
>
>
>
> Have a nice day J
>
>
>
> Luísa
>
> 2010/1/25 Elina Lampert-Shepel <ellampert@gmail.com>
>
> > Hi, everyone,
> > I am  very interested in the idea and international
> > co-teaching/researching.
> > Such collaboration opens variety of opportunities. I would like to join
> the
> > group. Some of us have been on and off discussing various formats of
> > international collaboration and international co-teaching, including
> > Virtual
> > University/ Program, others were doing it...:-). I am interested in any
> > international collaborative projects that will lead to engagement of
> > various
> > students and researchers.
> >  I would also appreciate if anyone can refer to any type of sample
> letters
> > of agreement, recognition of credits, any forms of articulation
> agreements
> > between international universities/programs. Is anyone familiar with
> > international educational program evaluation? I would appreciate your
> help
> > as I am among the group of international participants who are trying to
> > help
> > Elena Kravtsova to develop the International College Model.
> >
> > Elina
> >
> > Elina Lampert-Shepel, Ed.D.
> > Associate Professor
> > Graduate School of Education
> > Mercy College New Teacher Residency Program
> > Mercy College
> > 66 West 35th Street
> > New York, NY 10001
> > (212) 615 3367
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Duvall, Emily <emily@uidaho.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Indeed.
> > >
> > > A google group makes sense.
> > >
> > > I would suggest that we at least need a place to pivot from, a
> designated
> > > organizer that can take some responsibility to manage this - perhaps
> from
> > > Simon Fraser?
> > >
> > > I know my end also involves university issues and my dept chair and
> dean
> > > want to be kept informed - bottom line is they don't want any costs to
> > the
> > > university.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, my time is mine to use as I please - as long as I
> > don't
> > > neglect my job. Gets in the way of my fun sometimes.
> > >
> > > ~em
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: mike cole [mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 10:30 AM
> > > To: Duvall, Emily
> > > Cc: Luisa Aires; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity; Annalisa Sannino;
> Anne
> > > Edwards; Peter Sawchuk; Marilyn Fleer
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: Master's program based on CHAT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I do not know the answer to this question: On the one hand, we wish
> broad
> > > participation. We need something like
> > > a set of 15 lectures. I believe that we have 15 such lecture nominees.
> We
> > > could start a google group with those we already know who have said
> they
> > > would contribute. And add to that group as conditions permit, form
> > > subcommitees there.
> > >
> > > But in so doing, we might be running up against excellent local plans
> > > between institutions, or under ISCAR aegis, etc.
> > > and we would not want to block any good things.
> > >
> > > Conundrum?
> > > mike
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Duvall, Emily <emily@uidaho.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Do we wish to continue this off the listserv?
> > >
> > > ~em
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Luisa Aires [mailto:laires11@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:21 PM
> > > To: lchcmike@gmail.com; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Cc: Duvall, Emily; Annalisa Sannino; Anne Edwards; Peter Sawchuk;
> Marilyn
> > > Fleer
> > >
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: Master's program based on CHAT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree, Mike: broad access and ease of use must be the goals.
> > >
> > > Moodle is a friendly, free, open source platform and I think this LMS
> may
> > > be our main medium of discussion. Other tools like blog, wiki may be
> used
> > > (as secondary tools).
> > >
> > > Tuiton: online.
> > >
> > > Luisa Aires
> > >
> > > 2010/1/23 mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > Yes, all good questions, Emily.
> > >
> > > Set 1: technical issues. I would leave this to Luisa and others to
> agree
> > > upon. Broad access and ease of use should be the goals.
> > >
> > > Set 2: Audience. I have no local master's program. This would be a
> class
> > in
> > > the Comm/Psych/Cog Sci department here at UCSD but I would contribute
> to
> > > general effort with a lecture or two and as one of discussants.
> > >
> > > Set 3. (Depending on audience, i guess). Content.
> > >
> > > Set 4. Temporal coordination.
> > >
> > > Note:your message did not include the many ISCAR and Helsinki folks
> that
> > > evoked this discussion. I will cc a few of them in hopes we can hear
> from
> > > them about their interest, lack thereof, ideas, etc.
> > > EITHER its of broad use or not worth it.
> > > mike
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Duvall, Emily <emily@uidaho.edu>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, I'm definitely interested.
> > > >
> > > > Right now I work in Blackboard, have worked in Angel, and use
> > Elluminate
> > > > for meetings. I'm interested in ning, which would be free for people.
> > > > Listserves,blogs, etc not a problem, but I do feel I'm a bit limited
> > > > vis-à-vis mediums but that's simply a matter of experience. I have
> > > > resources, faculty and students, that are well versed in various
> > distance
> > > > bridging approaches to collaborative work so I feel confident re
> having
> > > > support.
> > > >
> > > > Course wise - it's going to depend on the audience. Are we are
> looking
> > to
> > > > build on what people already know, those who are already interested
> in
> > > CHAT,
> > > > SCT, etc, or are we looking to introduce and gather more into the
> fold?
> > > >  Certainly a combination is possible. In addition, if materials are
> in
> > > > different languages, will there be translations available for all of
> > > them?
> > > > Would postings (or however we communicate) be in English or multiple
> > > > languages? Will we need translators? Quite a number of logistics
> > issues,
> > > but
> > > > I think they can be easily resolved.
> > > >
> > > > Tuition?
> > > >
> > > > ~em
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> > > On
> > > > Behalf Of mike cole
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:08 AM
> > > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: Master's program based on CHAT
> > > >
> > > > Hi Luisa-
> > > >
> > > > The experience of a team of implementers would be necessary, I am
> > pretty
> > > > sure. We would need to host archived lectures, discussions around
> them.
> > > We
> > > > have to pick the medium of discussion (list serve, blog, moodle that
> > > would
> > > > be most widely accessible). We would have to decide if this was just
> a
> > > > total
> > > > free for all, or whether, for example, we would have a sequence that
> > got
> > > > repeated yearly, which could of course grow to be a sequence of
> > > sequences.
> > > > We would have to select texts, ideally in more than just English,
> where
> > > > possible. And of course, the theme of the first course: Maybe
> something
> > > > inclusive like "One Open Source Introduction to
> > Socio-cultural-historical
> > > > approaches to human nature: Basic texts and concepts" (But maybe
> others
> > > > will
> > > > have better idea). And more.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, lets figure you would be part of an organizing group because of
> > your
> > > > background in DL and interest in the topic. Andy says he is willing
> to
> > > > help,
> > > > I think i recall a note from Emily in the affirmative, Anna Stetsenko
> > was
> > > > suggested but not sure about her interest, Simon Fraser is
> considering
> > > the
> > > > idea. And a few others. But many are simply silent, either because
> they
> > > > (mistakenly!) think they have nothing to offer, or because, perhaps,
> > they
> > > > have other projects in mind to which they are devoting their
> attention.
> > > >
> > > > We'll see emerges.
> > > > mike
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Luisa Aires <laires11@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > What a wonderful idea, Mike!
> > > > > If you think that my experience might be helpfull, it would be a
> > > pleasure
> > > > > for me to participate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Luísa A.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2010/1/21 Duvall, Emily <emily@uidaho.edu>
> > > > >
> > > > > > That would be excellent!
> > > > > > ~em
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> > > xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
> > > > > On
> > > > > > Behalf Of mike cole
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:17 AM
> > > > > > To: asannino@mappi.helsinki.fi
> > > > > > Cc: J.Derry@ioe.ac.uk; clot@cnam.fr; bodker@daimi.au.dk;
> > > > > > berthel.sutter@bth.se; gutierrez@gseis.ucla.edu;
> > > > > cgoodwin@humnet.ucla.edu;
> > > > > > saija.volmari@helsinki.fi; Roger.Saljo@ped.gu.se;
> lorino@essec.fr;
> > > > > > f.blackler@lancaster.ac.uk; natalia.gajdamaschko@gmail.com;
> > > > > > t.o.digernes@intermedia.uio.no; pprior@illinois.edu;
> > > > > > reijo.miettinen@helsinki.fi; dholland@unc.edu;
> > mcole@weber.ucsd.edu;
> > > > > > sten.ludvigsen@intermedia.uio.no; gerhard@colorado.edu;
> > > > > > ymoro@human.tsukuba.ac.jp; cerf@inapg.inra.fr; amargolis@mail.ru
> ;
> > > > > > anne.edwards@education.ox.ac.uk; falk.seeger@uni-bielefeld.de;
> > > > > > asa.makitalo@ped.gu.se; Ference.Marton@ped.gu.se;
> > > > > > annshvedovskaya@gmail.com; lektorski@ultranet.ru; elkjaer@dpu.dk
> ;
> > > > > > georg.rueckriem@gmx.net; H.R.J.Daniels@bath.ac.uk;
> > > > > > skagawa@human.tsukuba.ac.jp; psawchuk@oise.utoronto.ca;
> > > > > > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu; Marilyn.Fleer@education.monash.edu.au;
> > > > > > jr.taylor@umontreal.ca; drrussel@iastate.edu;
> > > terttu.grohn@helsinki.fi
> > > > ;
> > > > > > hildenil@zedat.fu-berlin.de; padler@usc.edu
> > > > > > Subject: [xmca] Re: Master's program based on CHAT
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess my question is this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why are we not, collectively, offering such a course, where each
> > > member
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the collective you are trying to form gives a lecture/discussion
> > via
> > > > > > internet DL? Credit could be given locally, or they could all pay
> > > > > Helsinki
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > fee. Or whatever.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wouldn't that help build collaboration or is it not meaningful?
> > > > > > mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:17 PM, <asannino@mappi.helsinki.fi>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Mike,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We feel that it is beneficial to inform colleagues about this,
> > even
> > > > if
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > live far away.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With kind regards,
> > > > > > > Annalisa
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Quoting "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Well, too bad and good luck to those who have the time and
> money
> > > to
> > > > > come
> > > > > > >> to
> > > > > > >> Helsinki.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Might there be a better way to proceed?
> > > > > > >> mike
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:42 AM, <asannino@mappi.helsinki.fi>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>  Hello Mike!
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> This is not a dl class. Sorry for not being explicit about
> this
> > > > > already
> > > > > > >>> in
> > > > > > >>> the message.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> With kind regards,
> > > > > > >>> Annalisa
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Quoting "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>  Do students have to be physically present, or is this a dl
> > > class?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> mike
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:33 AM, <
> asannino@mappi.helsinki.fi>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>  Dear Colleagues,
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> At University of Helsinki, we are running a Master's
> program
> > > (in
> > > > > > >>>>> English)
> > > > > > >>>>> in Adult Education and Developmental Work Research. This
> > > program
> > > > is
> > > > > > >>>>> based
> > > > > > >>>>> on
> > > > > > >>>>> cultural-historical activity theory and aimed at training
> > > > competent
> > > > > > >>>>> developers and interventionists in workplaces and other
> > > > > > organizations.
> > > > > > >>>>>  Please find below a link to a the call for applications:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> http://www.helsinki.fi/atmo/index.htm
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> The deadline is the 1st of February for applicants who have
> > > > gained
> > > > > > >>>>> their
> > > > > > >>>>> degrees outside Nordic countries. For those with degrees
> from
> > > > > Nordic
> > > > > > >>>>> countries, the deadline is the 26th of February.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> With kind regards,
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Yrjö Engeström      Reijo Miettinen     Annalisa Sannino
> > > > Saija
> > > > > > >>>>> Volmari
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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