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*To*: ablunden@mira.net, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>*Subject*: Re: [xmca] In what sense(s) is mathematics a social construction.?*From*: Ng Foo Keong <lefouque@gmail.com>*Date*: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:52:04 +0800*Cc*:*Delivered-to*: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu*Dkim-signature*: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+eCUfLwirMM7X8bFctgvtlmqdyNrxvPxVcRay47qpIQ=; b=C4nKjeJCW2dLYV/AoEf4RyxMWBgdzeRNsitIslDVcqZPwBUCdELitKDZ0DPyQdpzF/ m2tsjFe2YCdhxYRHDXPsEBRqlqDCBdbdmwsDyBUwmhmG5vehO2QHg/JE/VisMGOJt4W3 4FEgr5mDLspuTnVYytwuHZjZnfgIEjCj+ma4w=*Domainkey-signature*: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vfHcYu0W5MOcyouwdohnKj2hpkM0Jm+LZpw+//7qLdzgQWHKbZ1UDBImu7A56FAlwT RL1JQfCymDeDo6OncVpe614G83J9wfph4AunHSIwrTjsUtBOcreMD68GCuPemzx2bQKj 43agtnF9TGcqre7lPWtWvmKf2iZ7DbiLYQJr8=*In-reply-to*: <49FA68D0.2000402@mira.net>*List-archive*: <http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/private/xmca>*List-help*: <mailto:xmca-request@weber.ucsd.edu?subject=help>*List-id*: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca.weber.ucsd.edu>*List-post*: <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>*List-subscribe*: <http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>, <mailto:xmca-request@weber.ucsd.edu?subject=subscribe>*List-unsubscribe*: <http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>, <mailto:xmca-request@weber.ucsd.edu?subject=unsubscribe>*References*: <OF6FBADE73.2BC9BB92-ON862575A8.00638D5F-862575A8.0064091C@spps.org> <49FA4F46.8050702@mira.net> <14a6419f0904301957i487fc345l1fdc79f0a01fe276@mail.gmail.com> <49FA68D0.2000402@mira.net>*Reply-to*: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>*Sender*: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu

Can Fichte account for the many different mathematical theories that have emerged (re. my three examples) in human history? What "-ism" do you call this? F.K. 2009/5/1 Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>: > No FK I am not a Platonist. > > We cannot think of or describe nature other than through labour processes of > some kind. But this does not imply that there are "nature's labour > processes" out there somewhere in a Kantian Jenseits, which we mirror. It > simply means that we discover objective limits to our subjective will and > this takes the form of activity which is both subjective and objective. This > goes back to Fichte strangely enough. > > Nominalism and Platonism are not the only choices. > > Andy > > Ng Foo Keong wrote: >> >> so are you saying that the different forms / brands of maths >> (small 'm') of different traditions/civilisations are just >> human maps of _The_ Mathematics (big 'm')? >> >> "The maps are not the territory", right? >> >> is there a magic Book, Somewhere Up There, where we can download >> all the maths that humans need, and maybe download instant >> understanding of maths, so children (and adults) are spared >> the pain of trying to work out their understanding of maths? >> >> F.K. >> >> >> 2009/5/1 Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>: >>> >>> Eric, >>> the cosmos existed without humans and will exist after us. But we >>> invented >>> physics, and fairly recently at that. Physics (like mathes) is a human >>> practice, practiced in a certain community of practice (institutions, >>> procedures), using a certain range of artefacts (symbols, words, >>> apparatus). >>> >>> That the material from which artefacts are made and the object of hte >>> enquiry exists independently of human activity does not prove that the >>> activity itself exists without humans. >>> >>> *All* artefacts and forms of activity rest upon a natural world which >>> exists >>> independently of us. Our practice is constrained by nature, always, and >>> is >>> never in that sense capricious. I think I can fly ... but I still come >>> crashing to the ground. Same with maths. >>> >>> Andy >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andy Blunden http://home.mira.net/~andy/ > Hegel's Logic with a Foreword by Andy Blunden: > From Erythrós Press and Media <http://www.erythrospress.com/>. > > _______________________________________________ > xmca mailing list > xmca@weber.ucsd.edu > http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca > _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca

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