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Re: [xmca] a minus times a plus


I would be quite interested if you have the time in a brief sketch of exactly what you did do so far and how you did it.


On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:10 PM, Mike Cole wrote:

The translation from math discourse to discourse discourse will almost
certainly help, David.
The teen's dad was very clear about a double negative being a positive.
"Not not caring=caring" but that understanding does not cross
discourse.representational domains.

I thought Joplin's line was "freedom's just another word for nothing left to
lose."  Hard to remember
stuff from the prior millenium.


PS -- Hmmm, or was that something about the freedom of necessity from yet
another prior millenium?

PPS-- I'll give your version a try. First chance I get,

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com >wrote:


Try the following sentences on your teenager. (Sing where possible!)

a) It's worth it.
b) It's not worth it.
c) It's not not worth it.
d) It's not worth nothing.
e) Nothing ain't worth nothing but it's free (Kris Kristofferson version)
f) Nothing ain't worth nothing hon' if it ain't free. (Janis Joplin
(Thanks to an imperfectly anonymous reviewer for MCA for straightening out
my discography for the last two examples.)

See if he can explain WHICH sentences mean something is worth it and which ones mean it's not worth it. Of course, this IS related to the notion of a
negative operating on a positive to produce a negative.

But how to explain the relationship? I think it's not that systems of
negation in language are mathematical; it's that systems of negation in MATHEMATICS tend to the linguistic. That's the way ALL higher psychological
processes work.

David Kellogg
Seoul National University of Education

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