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*To*: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>*Subject*: Re: [xmca] a minus times a plus*From*: Ed Wall <ewall@umich.edu>*Date*: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:59:18 -0400*Cc*:*Delivered-to*: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu*Domainkey-signature*: a=rsa-sha1; s=2007001; d=ucsd.edu; c=simple; q=dns; b=Vh89zBHXsB58DZtSSrwaVsGNT2Bhd+l7sOswZpcNM+FBXZeSrrxuAAEOv3JL2RvOj /Rs6Covp1aBxR4637Q5BA==*In-reply-to*: <30364f990904282010m581b3207xdaf9020d9e50cd62@mail.gmail.com>*List-archive*: <http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/private/xmca>*List-help*: <mailto:xmca-request@weber.ucsd.edu?subject=help>*List-id*: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca.weber.ucsd.edu>*List-post*: <mailto:xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>*List-subscribe*: <http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>, <mailto:xmca-request@weber.ucsd.edu?subject=subscribe>*List-unsubscribe*: <http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca>, <mailto:xmca-request@weber.ucsd.edu?subject=unsubscribe>*References*: <712136.48086.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <30364f990904282010m581b3207xdaf9020d9e50cd62@mail.gmail.com>*Reply-to*: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>*Sender*: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu

Mike

Ed On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:10 PM, Mike Cole wrote:

The translation from math discourse to discourse discourse will almost certainly help, David.The teen's dad was very clear about a double negative being apositive."Not not caring=caring" but that understanding does not cross discourse.representational domains.I thought Joplin's line was "freedom's just another word for nothingleft tolose." Hard to remember stuff from the prior millenium. mikePS -- Hmmm, or was that something about the freedom of necessityfrom yetanother prior millenium? PPS-- I'll give your version a try. First chance I get, mikeOn Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, David Kellogg <vaughndogblack@yahoo.com>wrote:Mike: Try the following sentences on your teenager. (Sing where possible!) a) It's worth it. b) It's not worth it. c) It's not not worth it. d) It's not worth nothing.e) Nothing ain't worth nothing but it's free (Kris Kristoffersonversion)f) Nothing ain't worth nothing hon' if it ain't free. (Janis Joplin version)(Thanks to an imperfectly anonymous reviewer for MCA forstraightening outmy discography for the last two examples.)See if he can explain WHICH sentences mean something is worth itand whichones mean it's not worth it. Of course, this IS related to thenotion of anegative operating on a positive to produce a negative. But how to explain the relationship? I think it's not that systems ofnegation in language are mathematical; it's that systems ofnegation inMATHEMATICS tend to the linguistic. That's the way ALL higherpsychologicalprocesses work. David Kellogg Seoul National University of Education_______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca

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