[xmca] Vygotskyan approach to mental health - socio-genetic roots of mental diseases and psychotherapeutic semiotic mediation.

From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari who-is-at hotmail.com>
Date: Sat Jul 05 2008 - 19:07:47 PDT

(12) From Achilles
Vygotskyan approach to mental health - socio-genetic roots of mental diseases and psychotherapeutic semiotic mediation.
“He (Vygotsky) did not believe in meaningless defect or retrogression: since the construction of the human mind follows a certain pattern, its destruction also cannot be arbitrary and therefore reveals specific rupture lines characteristic of the formation of the human psyche. That is why observations of the acquisition of language in the deaf-mute, concept formation in schizophrenics, and the rehabilitation of aphasics were for Vygotsky no less a part of developmental psychology than the sensory-motor behavior of the two-year old.” (Alex Kozuin, Vygotsky’s psychology – a biography of ideas, 1990 – p. 195)

I want to study Vygotsky´s theoretical contributions to Mental Health: (1) mental diseases theoretical and methodological comprehension; and (2) therapeutics dialogical practices, in a cultural-historical approach. And I asked here on the existence of English translation from “Проблема развития и распада высших психических функций”, because I wish to translate it to Portuguese but not if it exists in English. Mike Cole suggests reading Luria, and Akhutina and Rodina. Very important suggestions, I will study Akhutina and Rodina, and search another references by Luria than the ones I have here (more in “classical science” style, than in the “romantic science” books, maybe the ones what I need, I don’t know). But, what more can you suggest to me about the “vygotskyan approach to mental health - socio-genetic roots of mental diseases and psychotherapeutic semiotic mediation”?

Thank you very much.

Umuarama, July 5, 2008.
(11) From Mike
Luria-- Also check out Akhutina and Rodina article at LCHC. And ask on XMCA to see what comes up/mike
(10) From Achilles
I remember that there was a vygotskyan metaphorthat 'a building does not tumbling down, by anotherlaws that ones it was constructed' (not exactly this words,I quote by core)- maybe quoted by Kozulin, I don’t exactlyremember high now. Seems to me a important methodological principle, but I haven't seen much empirical work raised in it, in mental health historical-cultural research, if you could help me with this to, I will be very greatfull too.Thank you again, very much.Achilles,Umuarama, 04 July, 2008.
(9) From Mike
Yes, i firmly believe that.very important.mike
(8) From Achilles
Thanks...I had writed about my interest in othermail before read this.Do you think that 'raspada (desintegration) problem'can help us understand some questions to mentalhealth in historical-cultural approach?Achilles,Umuarama, July 4, 2008
(7) From Bella
Why italian? I sent you the Russian text- here it is once more.Mike, we just recently discussed problems of translation. If you want it tobe published in English, it would be reasonable to use the original Russiantext.Sincerely yours Bella Kotik-Friedgut
(6) From Mike
Whoa!! here is the article for Poalo in Italian!! I have sent to Pentti fortranslation in JREEP/mikePS-- Thanks BorisЛегче найти на итальянском:Il problema dello sviluppo e della disintegrazione delle funzioni psichichesuperiori // La psicologia sovietica 1917-1936. Roma: Edit. Riuniti, 1976.P. 330-347.С уважением,
(5) From Mike
No need to apologize for your English at all, Achilles!You provide a great reference in Kozulin's book that should be accessible to readers of XMCA, and in the article from Vygotsky reader. Abrigado!:-)mike
(4) From Achilles
Joao, Eugene and Mike,
The original text, in Russian we have in Russian Wikipedia,
but the link seems to be broken. But I have downloded it
before. (atached here)
I wonder that the 'raspada' (disintegration/decay) problem
is related not only to the defectology matters, but to the
pathopsychology's too (like schizophrenia and Pick's disease
- Kozulin presents this question in 'Vygotsky - a biography
of ideas' (cap. 6 – Mind in Trouble - section Psychopathology
and Regression); And there is a Vygotsky´s article in the Vygotsky
Reader about 'Though in Schizophrenia' (I translate to Portuguese);
the text about Pick's disease by Vygotsky, Samukhin and Bierenbaum 'K
voprosu o dementsii pri bolezni Pika - klinitcheskoe i eksperimen-
tal'no issledovanie' we find only in Russian too, Joao obtains it
here in the list and pass to me), but I don’t know yet. I can try
translate the Russian 'Problema razvitia i raspada vyschikh
psikhitcheskikh funktsii', aided by dictionaries and another
on-line translation tools, trying to learn Russian psychological
vocabulary, but if Eugene did it, its better.
Thanks. Excuse me about my wrong English writing, ok? But I
think that I can understand you very well, even so.
Umuarama, July 4, 2008
(3) From Mike
Hi Joao & Eugene--
I do not know of this article in English, although probably we can get it
translated if it is not. Meantime, I can recommend two sources
that should help:
Vygotsky, L. (1993). The collected works of L.S.Vygotsky. Vol.2: The
fundamentals of defectology (abnormal psychology and learning disabilities) (R.W.Rieber & A.S. Carton, Eds.). NY: Plenum Press.
Katarina Rodina's article which can be found at lchc as follows:
AR Luria's work should be relevant in several places.
Perhaps our Russian bibliophiles can come up with an origanal for
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 3:58 AM,
(2) From Joao
Dear friends... somebody has this text in english:
'Problema razvitia i raspada vyschikh psikhitcheskikh funktsii'
Joao Martins
(1) Achilles para João
Eu também teria outro favor para te pedir. É de perguntarna tua lista XMCA (é isso?), sobre haver ou não o seguinte textoem inglês. Em russo eu já tenho e quero traduzir (vai ser maisrápido que o do Pick), mas se já existir em outro lugar, nãohá necessidade. É o seguinte:'Problema razvitia i raspada vyschikh psikhitcheskikh funktsii''Problema do desenvolvimento e desintegração das funções psíquicassuperiores.'Será que já se encontra esse texto em inglês ou espanhol?
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