RE: [xmca] second nature

From: Andy Blunden <ablunden who-is-at>
Date: Fri Oct 12 2007 - 17:20:47 PDT

Must get to see "Ten Canoes", Phillip!! I hear it's a great movie.

And yes of course, actually, I go with Merlin Donald's idea that pre-human
hominids built a "second nature" and homo sapiens evolved biologically to
fill the ecological niche that they themselves were constructing. In fact,
it could be argued that the idea of a "first nature" independent of human
labour, is nothing more than metaphysics. Nevertheless, nature and culture
are conceptually distinct, even if they can never be extricated from one

At 02:24 PM 12/10/2007 -0600, you wrote:
>Andy - i recently saw "Ten canoes" - a film from your parts of the
>world - yes? and it looked to me that the folks portrayed in the film -
>possibly thousands of years ago (?) - while part of the natural world,
>did not live in the natural world, but rather in their own tool-mediated
>culturally constructed world - when a dead body was painted, for example,
>yes, the paint was natural, of the earth and plants, the the reason for
>the paint wasn't about living in a natural world - the paint was a
>cultural artifact viewed through a semiotic lens - or, when bodies were
>painted in preparation for war -
>anyway - i wondered if in fact, since language and perhaps even before
>(witness baboon social relations and inherited dominance), if we folks
>have ever lived in anything but artifacts - regardless of the degree of
>sophistication of our technologies - and, as Foucault would assert,
>language is one of our technologies.
>merely meanderings out here in the Rocky Mountain West - (irony here)
>From: on behalf of Andy Blunden
>Sent: Fri 10/12/2007 6:51 AM
>To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>Subject: Re: [xmca] second nature
>Yes, yes, I understand that, Maria.
>My question is not about the person as such but about the world we live in,
>the environment, which is no longer a natural world but a world of
>artefacts. Obviously (especially for us) a closely related idea, but not
>the same.
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