Re: [xmca] 'Summer reading' continued: "Are we Rome?"

You perhaps prefer Putin~s Russia, Eric. check out the stories about
^"Nashi" (Ours) the new putin youth group. Gitler youth in red scarves
not brown shirts.

Meantime, the Iraqi soccer/football team, that cannot live in Iraq (thank
you Saddam and GW) win the Aisian (???) tournament and the killing
in Iraq is quieted for a while (not automatically, but owing to automatic
gun fire).

Should we prefer Seventh Seal, Virgin Spring, or Scene from a Marriage?
mike

On 7/30/07, Eirik Knutsson <eikn6681@student.su.se> wrote:
>
> Garcia Lorca's cry is interesting, indeed. There is (at first glance, at
> least)
> nothing obviously Roman about NYC. Washington D.C., however, has Capitol
> Hill,
> Roman obelisks, and the Jefferson Memorial (an American Pantheon). Cullen
> Murphy gives some examples of a kind of "refeudalization" in late
> capitalism.
> Power is organized in structures and hierarchies of patrons and clients,
> Bush
> succeeds Bush, Clinton succeeds Clinton, prison- and health services are
> privatized, the state monopoly of violence is undermined. Torture
> (crucifixions), health care and warfare were all put out to private tender
> in
> the declining the Roman Empire.
>
> Eirik
>
>
> On 2007-07-30, at 12:05, Leif Strandberg wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > About Rome.
> >
> > I just came over (serendipity? - my favourite word this summer) a poem
> > by Garcia Lorca. In his 'A poet in New York' (1930) I found a small
> > poem called (in Swedish):
> >
> > Rop mot Rom - Från tornet av Chrysler Building
> > (Cry against Rome - from the tower of Chrysler Building)
> > from 1930.
> >
> > Interesting that he used 'Rome' when writing about NY
> >
> > Leif
> >
> >
> > 2007-07-26 kl. 11.45 skrev Eirik Knutsson:
> >
> >> Or, according to Geir Lundestad, "empire by invitation":
> >>
> >> "... if [the] American expansion created what we could call an
> >> American empire,
> >> this was to a large extent an empire by invitation. Unlike the Soviet
> >> Union,
> >> which frequently had to rely on force to further its interests, the
> >> United
> >> States possessed an arsenal of diverse instruments. In fact, the
> >> United States
> >> was often invited to play a more active role."
> >>
> >> ( http://jpr.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/23/3/263 )
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2007-07-26, at 08:25, Leif Strandberg wrote:
> >>> E
> >>>
> >>> I think we are doing what we can to be a part of Rome ("Legtimate
> >>> peripheral participation" - see Swedish and Norwegian soliders in the
> >>> ISAF forces in Afghanistan)
> >>>
> >>> I am waitng for a New Martin Luther
> >>>
> >>> Leif
> >>> 2007-07-25 kl. 13.46 skrev Eirik Knutsson:
> >>>
> >>>> Leif, if America is Rome: who are we (Europeans) then? "Athenians"...
> >>>> now
> >>>> conquered by Rome... (?)
> >>>>
> >>>> E.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2007-07-25, at 13:27, Leif Strandberg wrote:
> >>>>> No, but I have heard about it,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I listened to a radio programme the other day where the reporter
> >>>>> reminded me that Rome lasted for 800 years
> >>>>>
> >>>>> :-(
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Leif
> >>>>> Sweden
> >>>>> 2007-07-25 kl. 12.13 skrev Eirik Knutsson:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Has anybody out there read Cullen Murphy's "Are we Rome?" (Houghton
> >>>>>> Mifflin,
> >>>>>> 2007), in which contemporary Washington is compared with ancient
> >>>>>> Rome?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> E.
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