Re: [xmca] Fwd: social spaces

From: Steve Gabosch (
Date: Wed Feb 14 2007 - 17:53:28 PST

I enjoyed reading your article, Jennifer and Elizabeth. I have a
question somewhat like Mike's. Where does the concept of social
class fit into your concept of social space?
- Steve

At 08:38 AM 2/14/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>Interesting questin, Jennifer. We are reading Mind as Action for discussion
>in seminar today. I will ask my students to read your artice, your note, and
>to contribute their ideas.
>I have written on this subject enough. Time for other voices.
>On 2/13/07, Jennifer Vadeboncoeur <> wrote:
>>Yes, thanks for that query. In this piece we began with the physical
>>and were writing/thinking through what other forms of "space" might
>>look like. Space that is constituted by or produced in human
>>activity, social practices, and discursive practices, for example,
>>that would help us describe and explain our research.
>>The concepts that are central to our work - social, cultural, and
>>historical - are in my mind, though I have taken up and used "social
>>practices" more than "cultural practices" or "historical practices,"
>>perhaps out of force of habit. I see this tendency in Harvey,
>>Lefebvre, and Soja's work - that is, to talk about the social moreso
>>than the cultural, though in saying that, I pause, because Harvey, in
>>particular, emphasizes the historical alongside the social production
>>of space.
>>So, when I read the term "social," as in "social construction of
>>knowledge," I read it as a process that is at once social, cultural,
>>and historical. I read it as mediated, semiotic, embodied. I
>>appreciate your point; that others may not read it this way.
>>Sociocultural, cultural historical, sociohistorical, cultural? How
>>are other folks managing this?
>>Best - jennifer
>> >Hi Jennifer--
>> >
>> >For those who have not gotten the article, you can start at the following
>> >url, then go to the journal and down on the right
>> >hand side you will see the last article in the series. That is the one on
>> >spaces that Jennifer is referring to.
>> >
>> >
>> >Good luck hunting and reading!!
>> >
>> >Jennifer-- How come the term, culture, does not figure in your brief
>> >summary?
>> >mike
>> >
>> >On 2/12/07, Jennifer Vadeboncoeur <> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:04:29 -0800
>> >>>To:
>> >>>From: Jennifer Vadeboncoeur <>
>> >>>Subject: social spaces
>> >>>Cc:
>> >>>Bcc:
>> >>>X-Attachments:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Dear XMCA Folks,
>> >>>
>> >>>Hope this note finds you well!
>> >>>
>> >>>On Monday, Mike attached the piece entitled, Hirst, E. &
>> >>>Vadeboncoeur, J. A. (2006). Patrolling the borders of Otherness:
>> >>>Dis/placed identity positions for teachers and students in schooled
>> >>>spaces. Mind, Culture, and Activity: An International Journal,
>> >>>13(3), 203-225.
>> >>>
>> >>>I am mindful of busy schedules and not sure who may have gotten the
>> >>>chance to read it yet, but I thought I would throw out a a bit of a
>> >>>beginning piece and see if I can generate some discussion. Elizabeth
>> >>>Hirst, at Griffith University in Brisbane, will contribute as she
>> >>>can around her traveling schedule.
>> >>>
>> >>>As I think about this piece, two interests of ours were: an interest
>> >>>in understanding social space, as distinct from material or physical
>> >>>space; and an interest in exploring the intersection between
>> >>>government - federal and state - policy and the lives of teachers
>> >>>and students. For example, if we attempt to work beyond the "space
>> >>>as container" metaphor, how do we describe, define, exemplify social
>> >>>space? What constructs social space? How is it constituted? And from
>> >>>a research perspective, what sorts of data would need to be gathered
>> >>>to provide evidence of social space? Both theoretical and
>> >> >methodological issues surface here and for the second area of
>> >> >interest. In terms of links between policy and practice, how do we
>> >> >map across policy initiatives and what occurs at the level of the
>> >>>school and/or the classroom? How do we link policy with the lives of
>> >>>young people outside of schools?
>> >>>
>> >>>Just some thoughts here. As you think about this piece, what stands
>> >>>out for you?
>> >>>
>> >>>Best - jennifer
>> >>>
>> >>>[Eliz, please jump in when you can, and add to the above, vibes for
>> >> >safe travels!]
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