Re: [xmca] Elements and units?? 真Elementos y unidades??

From: Mike Cole (
Date: Thu Jan 25 2007 - 14:40:17 PST

Hi Cynthia-- Now I must go back to Chapter 1 having spent time with Chapter
7!! But it is a pleasure and I will do it. Until then, I postpone an answer
and may be incapable of providing a good answer since I am so uncertain of
the meaning of the word "consciousness" for LSV and for LSV at different
points in his life.

Perhaps David K who has been reading his 1926 essay on this topic will
help. For me, the link to what David was writing about in the note to which
I responded earlier is the "withness" of consciouness. For the moment I have
been thinking a lot about p. 285 last paragraph from the bottom (English
edition on xmca web page): "In consciousness the word .... is absolutely
impossible for one person but possible for two."

The last paragraph is worth as much meditation as we have time to give it.

Concerning question 2, I think that until you get to chapter 7 and return to
chapter 1 this question is too difficult to deal with. And perhaps even
AFTER you have cycled through several times!!

On 1/24/07, Cynthia Berra <> wrote:
> Hola mi nombre es Cynthia y estoy estudiando Psicologa en una universidad
> en Mxico. Hace unos das que estudiabamos el capitulo 1 del libro de
> pensamiento y lenguaje de Vygotsky me surgieron unas pregunta que tal vez
> ustedes me puedan ayudar a contestar:
> 1. Cuales son los elementos y unidades de la consciencia? (what are the
> elements and the units of consciousnes?)
> 2. Cuando Vygotsky dice que el significado de la palabra es la clave para
> entender la relacin entre pensamiento y lenguaje el significado de la
> palabra es un elemento del pensamiento o del lenguaje? Parece que es un
> elemento del lenguaje, si eso es cierto Cmo se relaciona el significado de
> la palabra con el pensamiento? (When Vigotsky says that word-meaning is the
> key in understanding the relation between thought and speech is
> word-meaning the element for thought or speech? It seems that is the element
> of speech, if that is true How is word-meaning related to thought?)
> "You must be the change you wish to see in the world" "Abstract truth has
> no value unless it incarnates in human beings who represent it, by proving
> their readiness to die for it" "It is my own firm belief that the strength
> of the soul grows in proportion as you subdue the flesh" Gandhi
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