RE: [xmca] This really isn't typical, guys

From: Ares, Nancy (Warner) (
Date: Fri Oct 28 2005 - 12:07:58 PDT

I also was taken aback by the reference to "good girl," and appreciate Mary
bringing it to explicit discussion. Yes, second language and other issues
may be part of the explanation for the particular remark. I think Mary's
other comment about an exclusive or private men's club warrants more
thought. If you think (or if we looked in the archives) of who posts, who
directs the discussions, whose posting get responded to, it seems a trend of
male-weighted influence appears. Another indication of this pattern, and one
I had thought to post shortly after ISCAR but didn't, for fear of offending,
is the "Future of" the field in Sevilla. All panelists were white men. The
message to me was that that future is likely to continue to be largely
shaped by white men, as it has been to this point. The scholarly work of
women (and people of color) hasn't been treated as central to the direction,
nor in that panel was it treated as central to the future, of this
community. I may be being a bit harsh, but works by, for example, Marianne
Heiddegard, Kris Gutierrez, Carol Lee have been widely influential, but they
weren't invited to participate in that important event (I know I'm
neglecting other important scholars and I apologize. I am only listing
examples). So, I think Mary pointed to something important.


Nancy Ares
Assistant Professor
Teaching & Curriculum
The Warner Graduate School of Education
    and Human Development
University of Rochester
P.O. Box 270425
Rochester, NY 14627
fax 585-473-7598

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> From: on behalf of Carol Macdonald
> Reply To:;eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 2:08 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [xmca] This really isn't typical, guys
> Mary
> I have never seen any sexism on this list before, and I truly believe that
> the great people I met at Sevilla are embarrassed by the language of this
> posting. We all have a real contribution to make, so please don't go
> away.
> If you are really are still brassed off, write to me personally, and blow
> off steam....:) (And you know that "guys" is now a gender neutral term,
> don't you!)
> Shame on you Ricardo!
> Carol
> On 10/28/05 8:00 AM, "Ricardo Japiassu" <> wrote:
> > The most part of article is a predictable critical review of Leontiev1s
> > Activity, Counsciousness and Personality - not because Dr. Setsenko1s
> > thinking cannot go beyond the obvious rather present an original
> approach
> to
> > activity but, in my point of view, because she preffers to be a 3good
> girl2.
> Misogynist sexist objectification of any author or their work is
> absolutely
> unacceptable on this list.
> If we are ever going to move forward in this field towards a body of
> knowledges that is anything other than over-determined by a particularly
> gendered history this kind of signifying practice can not be condoned.
> You have almost managed in practical terms to have a private men's club,
> with a few women relegated to the wings. If this really is the intent,
> then
> be clear about it and the rest of us can move elsewhere.
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