Mike
I donīt think it is prolepsis, but dialectic. In it
genesis and developement what was first, the eggs or
.... is a bad question. The task for us is to work out
always the real movement of contradictions. That means
to work out the dialectics of the concrete as Kosik
tried out long years ago. (and also other marxists).
And the dialectics of the concrete is praxis.
Armando
--- Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> A rare moment of agreement? As difficult as it is
> embody in utterances?
> The point about teachers needing to change as part
> of the process of
> student change speaks to current "disagreements"
> about how to interpret
> the zone of proximal development both in educational
> settings, where there
> ae some warrants for "more capable others" and in
> work settings, where
> the issue who/what "the other" is remains more
> ambiguous.
>
> The statement that : This is the source of
> intersubjectivity, which is both
> produced in the
> action, all the while it is presupposed by the
> action. --- brings to mind
> quickly the
> process of prolepsis.
> mike
>
> On 7/24/05, Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Armando,
> > I agree the necessity for doing the kind of work
> you outline in your
> > last sentence. This is why I conceptualized, for
> example, science
> > education as an endeavor where students learn
> while engaging in and for
> > social action. E.g.,
> >
> >
> > Roth, W.-M., & Lee, S. (2004). Science education
> as/for participation
> > in the community. Science Education, 88, 263291.
> > Roth, W.-M., & Lee, S. (2002). Scientific literacy
> as collective
> > praxis. Public Understanding of Science, 11,
> 3356.
> >
> > But this means that educators have to change. If
> we educate as and for
> > collective praxis, then it is no longer important
> that everyone knows
> > the same thing at the same time. Rather, what we
> need to be able to do
> > is engage with others who think and feel very
> differently, and do so
> > without putting them down, that is, in democratic
> ways so that we can
> > cogenerate solutions to the problems we face as a
> collective.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On 24-Jul-05, at 7:10 AM, Armando Perez wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael:
> > > I m really in accord with you that it is in
> practice,
> > > action that are integrated both planes of
> > > subjectivity, that I work out as colective and
> > > personal(inter and inter). I agree also that
> both are
> > > premise and results of practice, action. But, if
> it is
> > > possible to establish theoretically and
> > > epistemologically that in its genesis,
> development and
> > > so on both are transversalizased for practice,
> in its
> > > real movement may be in real antagonism,
> > > contradiction. Thatīs why we are working, now,
> in
> > > Cuba, as projects of research, in the
> development of a
> > > community that could integtrate as much as
> possible
> > > the personal and the social in a community
> project.
> > > Armando
> > >
> > >
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