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Re: [xmca] Re: Knotworking (ex: Double stimulation?)

But to make a distinction is not necessarily to set up a dichotomy.

In Australian social history the appearance of voluntary associations n the 19th century (mostly trade union-type organisations, but also sports and recreation, mutual-aid of various kinds, and later political parties and groups) was a significant development, which meant people regularly travelling long distances to stitch together the fabric of the emerging nation. In the US, the parallel role was played, I believe, to a great extent, also by Protestant sects, who pioneered the building of new bonds of sociability and trust across great distances.

These New World projects constructed a new kind of civil society and the basis for modernity. According to Hegel for example, modernity is characterised by the eclipse of family as the chief bond and political force in a state, by voluntary associations, such as professional associations or regional community organisations, where people of differing traditions construct new modern conditions of collaboration. But of course, the family and the state both remain in place!


Greg Thompson wrote:
Yes, Andy, I think the anthropological notion of kinship captures your point that not all biological relatives are "kin". Anthropologist David Schneider, for example, points out how kinship is really just the Aristotelian notion of "identity", and that "kinship" is fundamentally a matter of sameness of substance. Thus, political and religious affiliations are, in his view, systems of kinship. Seems like the same would be true of so-called "voluntary association" (scare quotes because of skepticism of notions of voluntary and the assumptions it makes about us as subjects). Any voluntary association worth its salt will surely have this sense of shared substance (and with regard to the making of this shared substance, Durkheim is essential - but that's a different story for a different time!). And don't most of these organizations have some sense of kinship built into their relational terms, whether "brother" or "brotherhood" or "family" or whatever?


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:

    Yes, there is no doubt that the commitment many people have to
    continuing the work of their parents and even ancestors, and their
    investment in their children, evidences a project, an archetypal
    project in fact. "Voluntary associations" are historically a
    relatively recent invention, prior to which kinship was possibly
    the most significant project in human life. Of course, it is not
    always the case that a kinship relation always indicates the
    relevance of the concept of "project" - I have cousins whom I have
    never met and to whom I have no commitment whatsoever.


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