[xmca] Re: Lytical

[Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>]

I'm putting it back on xmca as requested, Greg.
Further investigation led me to the fact that the suffix "-lytical" 
means "to dissolve." Perhaps Vygotsky had a cinematic metaphor in mind, 
changing from one scene, or situation, to another, by a dissolve? 
/Kritikos/, the root for "critical", on the other hand, means judgment 
or discernment, which I take to be a one-or-the-other process.

In my reading of "The Problem of Age" I did not gain from the material 
about the lytical periods much about breaking down. It was much more 
about consolidating and strengthening newly acquired forms of activity 
in preparation perhaps for breaking out of the situation in a critical 
phase of development. The critical phases are famously destructive of 
course.

On the side, I would really urge xmca-ers who work in literacy to please 
join in. I am a social philosopher who wants to ally myself with a 
living and robust current of psychology, but I am not myself an 
elementary school teacher and know almost nothing about learning to 
read. The article Mike wants me to read (and which I am still reading 
and will forward to the list when I am done) is totally rivetting stuff. 
Written 24 years ago it engages Vygotsky, Luria and A N Leontyev and is 
so sophisticated it bowls me over really. But I am still searching for 
something I could *disagree* with.

Andy

Greg Thompson wrote:
> Not OK just yet. I'd like to try to do some dissolving of your parsing 
> of "lytic" a bit.
>
> I thought you said you were parsing (lysing?) "lytic" as "gradual"? 
> "Gradual" seems very different from "loosening" or "dissolving", no?
>
> The process may be gradual, but to say that "lytical" means "gradual" 
> is like saying that "boiling" means "gradual" (after all it takes time 
> for water to boil - esp. if you are watching it).
>
> It seems like there is something very important in the rest of the 
> word "lytic" and how that relates to development. It seems that part 
> of what is being described here is the sense in which developments can 
> actually involve the breaking down (lysing!) of previous psychological 
> "structures" or "formations". That seems much more interesting than 
> "gradual". And it also seems a wonderful corrective to the commonly 
> assumed model of development as simple linear progression.
>
> For example, there is a classic example of language learning where 
> very young kids will say conjugate verbs correctly b.c. they are 
> memorized, but then when they start to learn the rules of conjugation, 
> they will no longer produce them correctly (b.c. some don't fit the 
> patterns that they are learning - e.g., past tense of "run" is not 
> "runned"). So their memorized understanding of "ran" must be "lysed"! 
> The result is that from the dissolving of those meanings a new meaning 
> can emerge - e.g., add "ed" to the present tense of a verb to make it 
> past tense. 
>
> What do you think?
>
> I'd be interested in opening this conversation to XMCA if you are 
> interested. Many folks smarter than I when it comes to translation and 
> such.
>
> -greg
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net 
> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
>
>     check the definitions for the suffix "-lytical." They mean
>     "loosening or dissolving." OK?
>     andy
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