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Re: [xmca] Collective Experience vs. Individual Experience? (Help, anyone?)

Tony- I am unclear about how your comments point to something between
individual and collective experience.

Yes, the term experience evokes misunderstandings, but have you tried
culture recently as a problem free alternative? :-)

Might temporal aspects of "an experience" play a role in the
distinction? Would that be an avenue to distinguishing an intermediate


On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tony Whitson <twhitson@udel.edu> wrote:

> Thanks, Andy, that is helpful.
> The Dewey is posted here:
> https://tw-curricuwiki.**wikispaces.com/Dewey--culture%**2C+experience<https://tw-curricuwiki.wikispaces.com/Dewey--culture%2C+experience>
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Andy Blunden wrote:
>  Herder, as I understand him, saw collective experience as an important
>> facet in the formation of the character of a people. I think part of the
>> problem is that "experience" has been such a contested term, Tony. Generally
>> it has been co-opted by Empiricism, which is by its nature individualist and
>> by definition the philosophy of experiene, but Dewey used the word in
>> formulating his view. But didn't he later say that he regretted using the
>> word "experience" because it led to misunderstandings? Personally, I think
>> /shared/ experience is the most powerful force in changing Zeitgeist and
>> individual mninds en masse. You have an experience, and then you find that
>> everyone else experienced the same thing and that event then becomes a
>> central focus of your collaboration with other people. What could be more
>> world-changing?
>> Andy
>> Tony Whitson wrote:
>>> This query is prompted by a new book:
>>> Peck, Don. Pinched: How the Great Recession Has Narrowed Our Futures and
>>> What We Can Do About It. New York: Crown Pub., 2011.
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Pinched-**Great-Recession-Narrowed-**
>>> Futures/dp/0307886522<http://www.amazon.com/Pinched-Great-Recession-Narrowed-Futures/dp/0307886522>
>>> /
>>> in which the author looks more deeply into predictable ramifications of
>>> the
>>> current economic situation than I have seen in other recent work.
>>> Based on historical, sociological, and other literatures and modes of
>>> research, the author argues that what we're dealing with now is not just
>>> a
>>> wave in a recurring cycle. He predicts lasting changes that he expects to
>>> deeply impact different generational cohorts for decades to come.
>>> His argument is plausible, at least, to me. But it prompts me to wonder
>>> about experience that is really collective experience, as opposed to
>>> individual experience.
>>> Exposing my ignorance, I realize that I can't think of literature on the
>>> nature and structure of collective experience. It seems like there must
>>> be a
>>> lot; but I can't think of it. It also seems like xmca is a likely place
>>> to
>>> find people who would be interested, and would know about such literature
>>> (although it's not on-topic in the current threads).
>>> I'm thinking of my first earthquake experience last month as an example
>>> of
>>> an individual experience. It was totally unlike anything I'd ever
>>> experienced before, and it took me a few seconds to even recognize that
>>> an
>>> earthquake is what was happening (we don't have those in Delaware). I was
>>> at
>>> my desk, at home, by myself when it happened.
>>> Of course, the experience was mediated after the fact from my
>>> sociocultural
>>> awareness of earthquakes. Still, I think it was an individual experience
>>> in
>>> the moment, compared with the collective experience that Don Peck is
>>> writing
>>> about -- an experience of events and developments over time, in which the
>>> experience of others participates, throughout, in the experience of any
>>> one.
>>> I am thinking that there might be something else that could be called
>>> "shared experience," intermediate between individual and collective
>>> experience.
>>> Does this make any sense? Is this question of interest to anyone? Or am I
>>> naïvely wondering about things that have been well developed in the
>>> literature?
>>> I would be interested if anyone has ideas or references to share on this.
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