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RE: [xmca] Znak and Priznak

BTW, H. P. Grice used an example like "redness of a tomato ... that it is
ripe" when he was discussing his distinction between "meaning natural" and
"meaning non-natural."  

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From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
Behalf Of Bella Kotik-Friedgut
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:14 AM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] Znak and Priznak

I would say that znak is closer to index but priznak may be also some real
quality (redness of a tomato is a priznak that it is ripe) may be priznak we
can see as pre znak?
Bella Kotik

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Achilles Delari Junior <
achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, XMCA,
> One more extemporaneous question.
> Do you know something about any relations between the Russian term 
> "priznak"
> and the peircean concept of "index"? There are many mentions to "priznak"
> in the
> "Studies on the history of behavior: ape, primitive, and child" from 
> Vygotsky and Luria... and, of course, a "priznak" must be a kind of 
> "znak" (sign)...
> But no
> necessarily the "priznak"'s role, in some kinds of relations between 
> human beings and his environment, is posed in strictly semiotic terms 
> along the book...
> Can we
> find something more about the role of "index" in Vygotsky theory of sign?
> How
> does Russian semiotics designate Pierce typology of sings, for instance?
> Thank you very much.
> Achilles.
> >From Brazil.
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Sincerely yours Bella Kotik-Friedgut
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