From: Alexander Surmava <monada who-is-at>
Date: Wed Apr 23 2008 - 11:42:45 PDT


Please, we need your IP address to establish connection.

Send it please as soon as possible

Thank you,


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On
Behalf Of Mike Cole
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:12 AM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity


Hi Sasha et al---


I was unable to download the text you had in mind, Sasha.

Also, while I will be delighted to participate in the symposium everyone

should know that this initiative has been entirely the result of the hard

work of you and your colleagues. I look forward to learning a lot and thank

you and all your colleagues for their invitation to xmca-ites to




On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Alexander Surmava <> wrote:


> Hi,


> here is some urgent information.




> Organizing committee of the IX annual "Il'enkov's readings" international

> conference informs that


> 24 and 25 of April the IX annual "Il'enkov's readings" conference will

> take

> place in Moscow.


> 24 of April from 16:00 till 18:00 GMT the international internet video

> seminar "Il'enkov and revolution in psychology" will be held as a part of

> the conference. Key note participants of the seminar: recently organized

> Russian "Dialectical psychology" group ( a part of ISCAR's "Dialectical

> psychology" section) and professor Mike Cole.


> There is technical possibility to communicate additional 6-8 participants

> (channel width). To participate it in full format one needs some special

> equipment, something compatible with: "hard" MCU – Tandberg 880, "soft"


> – Polycom PVX. This equipment is rather conventional for universities. If

> you like to take part in the seminar you have to perform self testing of

> the

> video conference according to the following algorithm.


> Here is the instruction for self testing of the Video Conference I was

> given

> by my Moscow technical supporters.


> 1. Switch on your client software

> 2. Attach video server

> 3. You will see the window with options "Guest" & "test-pvx"

> 4. You have to choose "test-pvx"

> 5. If you can see yourself or the picture from the other camera it

> means that self testing was successful.


> Hope that testing will be successful.


> Nota bene, you are testing only video channel, so during testing you won't

> have any sound.


> If testing passes successfully you have to send as soon as possible to

> E-mails (, something like this:


> Here is our information:


> - Polycom View Station VSX 7000


> - Internet2 IP Number:


> - ISDN Number: 571 3524280 (from 128 to 512 kbps)


> - Public IP (Just as Backup):


> Exactly this information was sent from Universidad de Los Andes. Bogotá

> Colombia, so Number one in the list of participants is already filled.


> The earlier you send your information the more chances you will have to

> get

> to the list of participants.


> The second form of communication is much easier to organize, because it

> needs only a PC with browser. The URL (web address) will be announced

> later.

> But the number of participants is even less – Only 6 participants. And the

> list is also opened.


> 1. Andy Blunden - Australia


> 2. Laszlo Garai - Hungary


> The Organizing committee apologizes for late announcement (we have to cope

> a

> number of organizational and technical problems) and asks you to send your

> applications (with your IP address) as soon as possible.


> The programme of seminar will include mutual introduction, two or three

> short reports and open discussion. The most of reports of Russian

> participants will be in Russian (with translation into English).


> The video translation will be recorded and after short time it will be

> available to download.


> As an introductory course to the seminar we recommend to look through the

> following texts:


> 1. The article, concerning the role of Evald Il'enkov in the history

> of

> philosophy "EVALD IL'ENKOV AND WORLD PHILOSOPHY" by Lev Naumenko. It is

> available in English here:

> >


> 2. The first two chapters of Il'encov's Dialectical logic (

> <> 1:

> Subject Matter and Sources of Logic [Descartes and Leibnitz]

> <> 2:

> Thought as Attribute of Substance [Spinoza]) and his classical text about

> ideality "The concept of the Ideal" (They are available here:

> <>

> &

> <>

> )


> 3. Optionally "Life psyche consciousness" and "Presentation" (In

> English.) by Alexander (Sasha) Surmava. They are available here:


> >



> In the name of Organizational committee


> Vladimir Lazutkin

> Alexander Surmava




> The characteristic peculiarity of psychology is first of all the unique

> complexity of its subject matter. A human is equally the summit of natural

> evolution and the subject of historical development so theoretic

> understanding of human nature requires from a researcher a special

> sophisticated theoretic and methodological knowledge. The second even more

> serious difficultness lies in the exceptional social responsibility of

> psychologist not merely theorizing about imaginary nature of human sole

> but

> putting forward and realizing some practical acts, affecting this very

> sole.

> At last, one more peculiarity of a human as a subject matter of

> psychological investigation consists in special characteristic of a human

> to

> be the most elusive object so while he/she is alive he/she is in permanent

> movement, in permanent making so any finite opinion about him risks become

> false even early than it will be formulated.


> It follows from this that the only possible way of comprehension of human

> nature can be delivered by dialectic in its modern materialistic

> redaction.



> A dialectic is not an abstract methodology, it's not a kit of formal

> rules,

> technologies and workarounds. Even less it is a sectarian ideological

> symbol or password. We, a group of investigators belong to theoretic

> tradition of Vygotsky, Leont'ev and Il'enkov and follow the dialectic

> tradition in philosophy and psychology, we insist, that without dialectic

> the psychology is doomed to remain not a rational humanistic discipline,

> but

> a cross between inhuman scientistic technology and applied magic.


> Dialectic is opposed both in the history of psychology and now with

> dualism

> as an abstract metaphysical principle.


> The history of CHAT displays the drama of successive attempts to overcome

> multilateral dualism as a nightmare of psychological theory. The key

> figures

> in those attempts in the past century were Vygotsky, Leont'ev and Il'enkov

> who did their best to find a resolution of psycho-physical problem in all

> its forms, as problem of interrelation of mind and body, of "external" and

> "internal", of mind and affect, of culture and nature, of "free

> subjectivity" and "enforced marionette", of personality and society.


> We entirely share Vygotsky's idea that the logic of interaction (the

> interaction of mind and body) is prescientific logic. Leont'ev stood on

> the

> same theoretic position. Nevertheless both founders of CHAT failed in

> their

> bold attempt to overcome old Cartesian dualism despite the fact that both

> tried to be guided by Spinoza and Marx. Hence the special inconsistency

> and

> contradictoriness of some theoretic ideas of the same Vygotsky, e.g. his

> idea concerning the thinking of so called "primitives" allegedly differs

> from "genuine theoretic" or "scientific" thinking of modern literate

> Europeans and Americans.


> The perspective of the fundamental leap forward towards overcoming this

> dualism and consequently to solving sharp social-psychological and

> social-pedagogic problems of the present was offered by Il'enkov who put

> forward basically new and in the same time authentic interpretation of

> Spinoza. The idea of "thinking body" not only overcomes the dead end of

> psychophysical problem, but opens a new breathtaking perspective for

> theoretic and practical psychology.


> We don't consider ourselves as a sect of followers of the next in turn

> popular guru anxious about "authentic interpretation" of his sacred texts.

> First of all we share with our teachers the preassurance in existence if

> objective truth and the attitude to search it. We share with

> predecessors

> the common understanding of social objectives and the human and social

> responsibility in achieving of these objectives. To realize in theoretic

> researches and practically the enormous heuristic potential of dialectic

> tradition, to target and concentrate our efforts on the most difficult

> problem of democratization of the educational system, on the problem of

> creating of basically new school, the school which doesn't kills an alive

> thought, but contrary helps to develop it, a school which doesn't crowns

> and

> "culturally" mount the process of taking children to the opposite sides

> of

> social fences, but energetically resist and oppose to social segregation –

> that is a little bit of tasks which join us in "Dialectical psychology

> group".


> The most part of the participants of our group are active ISCAR members.

> Others are going to join ISCAR recently. We consider our group as an

> inalienable part of "Dialectical psychology" section established during

> the

> first ISCAR Congress in Seville and invite all colleagues who share

> dialectic approach to cooperate with us.


> Lev Naumenko – retiree, Ph.D., member of ISCAR from 2002


> Elena Sokolova – Psychological Department of Moscow State University,

> Ph.D.,

> member of ISCAR from 2002


> Viktor Arslanov – University of Russian Academy of Education, Ph.D.


> Vladimir Kudriavtsev - Vygotsky Institute Russian State University for

> Humanities, Ph.D., member of ISCAR from 2002


> Sergey Mareev – Modern Univesity for the Humanities, Ph.D., member of


> from 2002


> Vladimir Lazutkin – assistant of State Duma deputy, Ph.D.


> Alexander Simakin - Peoples' Friendship University of Russia, member of

> ISCAR from 2002.


> Gennady Lobastov - Vygotsky Institute Russian State University for

> Humanities, Ph.D.


> Alexander Surmava – Vygotsky Institute Russian State University for

> Humanities, Ph.D., member of ISCAR from 2002 - coordinator of the group

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