From: Mike Cole <lchcmike who-is-at>
Date: Tue Apr 22 2008 - 15:11:57 PDT

Hi Sasha et al---

I was unable to download the text you had in mind, Sasha.
Also, while I will be delighted to participate in the symposium everyone
should know that this initiative has been entirely the result of the hard
work of you and your colleagues. I look forward to learning a lot and thank
you and all your colleagues for their invitation to xmca-ites to

On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Alexander Surmava <> wrote:

> Hi,
> here is some urgent information.
> Organizing committee of the IX annual "Il'enkov's readings" international
> conference informs that
> 24 and 25 of April the IX annual "Il'enkov's readings" conference will
> take
> place in Moscow.
> 24 of April from 16:00 till 18:00 GMT the international internet video
> seminar "Il'enkov and revolution in psychology" will be held as a part of
> the conference. Key note participants of the seminar: recently organized
> Russian "Dialectical psychology" group ( a part of ISCAR's "Dialectical
> psychology" section) and professor Mike Cole.
> There is technical possibility to communicate additional 6-8 participants
> (channel width). To participate it in full format one needs some special
> equipment, something compatible with: "hard" MCU – Tandberg 880, "soft"
> – Polycom PVX. This equipment is rather conventional for universities. If
> you like to take part in the seminar you have to perform self testing of
> the
> video conference according to the following algorithm.
> Here is the instruction for self testing of the Video Conference I was
> given
> by my Moscow technical supporters.
> 1. Switch on your client software
> 2. Attach video server
> 3. You will see the window with options "Guest" & "test-pvx"
> 4. You have to choose "test-pvx"
> 5. If you can see yourself or the picture from the other camera it
> means that self testing was successful.
> Hope that testing will be successful.
> Nota bene, you are testing only video channel, so during testing you won't
> have any sound.
> If testing passes successfully you have to send as soon as possible to
> E-mails (, something like this:
> Here is our information:
> - Polycom View Station VSX 7000
> - Internet2 IP Number:
> - ISDN Number: 571 3524280 (from 128 to 512 kbps)
> - Public IP (Just as Backup):
> Exactly this information was sent from Universidad de Los Andes. Bogotá
> Colombia, so Number one in the list of participants is already filled.
> The earlier you send your information the more chances you will have to
> get
> to the list of participants.
> The second form of communication is much easier to organize, because it
> needs only a PC with browser. The URL (web address) will be announced
> later.
> But the number of participants is even less – Only 6 participants. And the
> list is also opened.
> 1. Andy Blunden - Australia
> 2. Laszlo Garai - Hungary
> The Organizing committee apologizes for late announcement (we have to cope
> a
> number of organizational and technical problems) and asks you to send your
> applications (with your IP address) as soon as possible.
> The programme of seminar will include mutual introduction, two or three
> short reports and open discussion. The most of reports of Russian
> participants will be in Russian (with translation into English).
> The video translation will be recorded and after short time it will be
> available to download.
> As an introductory course to the seminar we recommend to look through the
> following texts:
> 1. The article, concerning the role of Evald Il'enkov in the history
> of
> philosophy "EVALD IL'ENKOV AND WORLD PHILOSOPHY" by Lev Naumenko. It is
> available in English here: <<>
> >
> 2. The first two chapters of Il'encov's Dialectical logic (
> <> 1:
> Subject Matter and Sources of Logic [Descartes and Leibnitz]
> <> 2:
> Thought as Attribute of Substance [Spinoza]) and his classical text about
> ideality "The concept of the Ideal" (They are available here:
> <>
> &
> <>
> )
> 3. Optionally "Life psyche consciousness" and "Presentation" (In
> English.) by Alexander (Sasha) Surmava. They are available here:
> <<>
> >
> In the name of Organizational committee
> Vladimir Lazutkin
> Alexander Surmava
> The characteristic peculiarity of psychology is first of all the unique
> complexity of its subject matter. A human is equally the summit of natural
> evolution and the subject of historical development so theoretic
> understanding of human nature requires from a researcher a special
> sophisticated theoretic and methodological knowledge. The second even more
> serious difficultness lies in the exceptional social responsibility of
> psychologist not merely theorizing about imaginary nature of human sole
> but
> putting forward and realizing some practical acts, affecting this very
> sole.
> At last, one more peculiarity of a human as a subject matter of
> psychological investigation consists in special characteristic of a human
> to
> be the most elusive object so while he/she is alive he/she is in permanent
> movement, in permanent making so any finite opinion about him risks become
> false even early than it will be formulated.
> It follows from this that the only possible way of comprehension of human
> nature can be delivered by dialectic in its modern materialistic
> redaction.
> A dialectic is not an abstract methodology, it's not a kit of formal
> rules,
> technologies and workarounds. Even less it is a sectarian ideological
> symbol or password. We, a group of investigators belong to theoretic
> tradition of Vygotsky, Leont'ev and Il'enkov and follow the dialectic
> tradition in philosophy and psychology, we insist, that without dialectic
> the psychology is doomed to remain not a rational humanistic discipline,
> but
> a cross between inhuman scientistic technology and applied magic.
> Dialectic is opposed both in the history of psychology and now with
> dualism
> as an abstract metaphysical principle.
> The history of CHAT displays the drama of successive attempts to overcome
> multilateral dualism as a nightmare of psychological theory. The key
> figures
> in those attempts in the past century were Vygotsky, Leont'ev and Il'enkov
> who did their best to find a resolution of psycho-physical problem in all
> its forms, as problem of interrelation of mind and body, of "external" and
> "internal", of mind and affect, of culture and nature, of "free
> subjectivity" and "enforced marionette", of personality and society.
> We entirely share Vygotsky's idea that the logic of interaction (the
> interaction of mind and body) is prescientific logic. Leont'ev stood on
> the
> same theoretic position. Nevertheless both founders of CHAT failed in
> their
> bold attempt to overcome old Cartesian dualism despite the fact that both
> tried to be guided by Spinoza and Marx. Hence the special inconsistency
> and
> contradictoriness of some theoretic ideas of the same Vygotsky, e.g. his
> idea concerning the thinking of so called "primitives" allegedly differs
> from "genuine theoretic" or "scientific" thinking of modern literate
> Europeans and Americans.
> The perspective of the fundamental leap forward towards overcoming this
> dualism and consequently to solving sharp social-psychological and
> social-pedagogic problems of the present was offered by Il'enkov who put
> forward basically new and in the same time authentic interpretation of
> Spinoza. The idea of "thinking body" not only overcomes the dead end of
> psychophysical problem, but opens a new breathtaking perspective for
> theoretic and practical psychology.
> We don't consider ourselves as a sect of followers of the next in turn
> popular guru anxious about "authentic interpretation" of his sacred texts.
> First of all we share with our teachers the preassurance in existence if
> objective truth and the attitude to search it. We share with
> predecessors
> the common understanding of social objectives and the human and social
> responsibility in achieving of these objectives. To realize in theoretic
> researches and practically the enormous heuristic potential of dialectic
> tradition, to target and concentrate our efforts on the most difficult
> problem of democratization of the educational system, on the problem of
> creating of basically new school, the school which doesn't kills an alive
> thought, but contrary helps to develop it, a school which doesn't crowns
> and
> "culturally" mount the process of taking children to the opposite sides
> of
> social fences, but energetically resist and oppose to social segregation –
> that is a little bit of tasks which join us in "Dialectical psychology
> group".
> The most part of the participants of our group are active ISCAR members.
> Others are going to join ISCAR recently. We consider our group as an
> inalienable part of "Dialectical psychology" section established during
> the
> first ISCAR Congress in Seville and invite all colleagues who share
> dialectic approach to cooperate with us.
> Lev Naumenko – retiree, Ph.D., member of ISCAR from 2002
> Elena Sokolova – Psychological Department of Moscow State University,
> Ph.D.,
> member of ISCAR from 2002
> Viktor Arslanov – University of Russian Academy of Education, Ph.D.
> Vladimir Kudriavtsev - Vygotsky Institute Russian State University for
> Humanities, Ph.D., member of ISCAR from 2002
> Sergey Mareev – Modern Univesity for the Humanities, Ph.D., member of
> from 2002
> Vladimir Lazutkin – assistant of State Duma deputy, Ph.D.
> Alexander Simakin - Peoples' Friendship University of Russia, member of
> ISCAR from 2002.
> Gennady Lobastov - Vygotsky Institute Russian State University for
> Humanities, Ph.D.
> Alexander Surmava – Vygotsky Institute Russian State University for
> Humanities, Ph.D., member of ISCAR from 2002 - coordinator of the group
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