RES: [xmca] Vygotsky, Lukacs and Lenin - another try

From: Joao Batista <jbmartin who-is-at>
Date: Sun Apr 20 2008 - 17:52:15 PDT

Bruce, thank you. I found the reference of AU and I requested the article
for the author. You can to indicate me the Trotsky book where he developed
conception of transitional politics and demands?


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De: [] Em nome
de Bruce Robinson
Enviada em: domingo, 20 de abril de 2008 13:26
Assunto: [xmca] Vygotsky, Lukacs and Lenin - another try

Fourth time lucky? Hope it's worth it--

I've sent this twice now but apparently only empty messages arrived.

for empty mail and thanks for telling me, Vera. Third time lucky... I am

from home and on a strange set-up so no guarantee, I'm afraid.



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From: Bruce Robinson

To: 'eXtended, Mind, Culture, Activity' , Andy Blunden

Sent: Fri Apr 18 13:32

Subject: Fwd: Re: [xmca] Vygotsky xLukács

Perhaps a link here is the relation of both to Lenin's ideas. In his article

Science and SOCIETY July 2007 on Vygotsky and Lenin, Wayne Au draws a very

link between Lenin's 'What is to be done?' and LSV on two issues related to

learning: the difference between everyday and scientific consciousness and

ZPD. Au concludes LSV might have been directly aware of WITBD in his writing

it might also have been that they approached related problems from the same

dialectical materialist framework, thus reaching similar conclusions. The

seems possible to me.

Lukacs of course took up these ideas of Lenin's in 'history and Class

Consciousness', in my view in a rather fetishised way, making the revolution

point at which the proletariat leapt to a realisation of its historic class

consciousness. I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to Joao, but I

that much closer relationship to the ZPD can be found in Lenin and also

particularly in Trotsky with his conception of transitional politics and

I'm afraid I don't have the exact reference for the Au article with me but

should be easy to find as the title starts with 'Vygotsky and Lenin'. I
would be

interested to hear what xmca'ers think of it.

BTW, I think there is a lot in Lukacs' last unfinished text 'The Ontology of

Social Being' that is of interest from a CHAT perspective.

Bruce Robinson


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