Peter, I would be very interested in seeing your study of the discourse of
character education...Would you mind sharing when you are ready?
Thanks,
Ben Kirshner
At 03:10 PM 10/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I think this is done both innocently (perhaps lazily) and deliberately.
>For instance, for a study of the discourse of character education I'm
>completing, I've come across a book chapter by Christine H. Sommers
>(Sommers, C. H. (2002). How moral education is finding its way back into
>America's schools. In W. Damon (Ed.), Bringing in a new era in character
>education (pp. 23-41). Stanford, CA: Hoover Press.) in which she
>dismisses liberalism in general by lumping Rousseau and Dewey together.
>These two are fundamentally different; Rousseau believed that society
>corrupts the pristine child, Dewey believed that development is
>essentially social. But for Sommers, the conservative ideology required a
>dismissal of both as a conflated pair in order to reject and diminish
>anything remotely relativistic in the realm of character development.
>Peter
>
>At 09:53 AM 10/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>AMEN!!
>>
>>Ben wrote:
>>
>>Vygotsky, like Ilyenkov, made wide contributions in the development of
>>construct
>>ionist social psychology. Like with Hegel, Marx and other really fertile
>>thinke
>>rs, there is so much in Vygotsky's work, that it is easy to grab a few
>>ideas and
>> use them without realizing that by doing so we distort beyond
>> recognition the w
>>hole contribution.
>>
>>
>>Ditto Dewey and a lot of the other people discussed on this list.
>>
>>Ben-- Social psychology as practiced by those who publish in APA journals
>>doesn't seem much like the intellectual enterprise you refer to as
>>social psychology which would fit perfectly into our Communication
>>Department.
>>
>>Is this a general US versus the Rest difference? Do you see the same
>>schism?
>>mike
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