I agree. I have actually been running into Holzkamp a lot lately in my
reading. I really liked the quote about mutual determination you had in
your paper.
Your paper also gave me some stuff to think about. Keeping the class as a
whole made a lot of sense to me, at least the students reasoning behind it,
but it also brings forth interesting questions. This was an inner city
school, if I understand correctly, so the question that immediately came up
for me was if it was more integrated how would it of played out. The
teachers view (at least initially) seems rather typical of middle class
ideology IMHO.
I am sorry I can't resist - so the Spencer Foundation was O.K. with no
generalizability and all. Seriously though I think this kind of research is
important and frankly its more interesting to read than the
generalizability stuff.
If Holzkamp is in accessible form somewhere I would be interested. I find
much of the European stuff is not very accessible in the states.
Nate
At 05:50 AM 2/3/01 -0800, you wrote:
>>I may be missing something - but is not "motive" in the context of AT
>>referring to the collective rather than the individual per se. If we got
>>the hunt or whatever it seems it is not this individual object or motive
>>but a collective one.
>
>Nate, I would see it as both, in the way Klaus Holzkamp described it. Our
>individual motives are mediated by, and a subset of all possible motives
>in the society--appropriated through a process of internalization that
>others have described...
>
>Holzkamp suggested that it is only when we realize that our own motives
>(actions...) are a restricted subset of all possible motives that we
>create new opportunities for action... therefore change, development.
>
>If we do not realize the mediated nature, we will not be able to deal with
>the mediational nature that society plays, and therefore attempt to deal
>with contradictions personally rather than attempting articulate them in
>terms of their mediated nature and therefore to bring about more systemic
>change...
>
>Michael
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