RE: leont'ev: externalization/internalization etc

From: Peter Smagorinsky (smago@peachnet.campuscwix.net)
Date: Thu Nov 02 2000 - 15:22:47 PST


My thoughts were never intended to imply that people with autism, etc. are
not engaged in social action. Rather, my intention was to say that the
belief that personality is entirely a function of activity overlooks the
ways in which a disposition can have origins in one's makeup. This does not
endorse a deficit view of people with atypical chemical makeups (several of
whom are very dear to me) but to recognize that their personalities are at
least in part a consequence of these makeups. Peter

At 04:27 PM 11/2/00 -0600, you wrote:

>Peter,
>
>Is it true a child with autism has limited social interaction? I would tend
>to see that very much as a stereotype in how we seem to equate the social
>with verbal. I too have dealt with many autistic children and while as a
>mediational means the verbal is limited - I don't think its accurate to make
>the jump to social interaction.
>
>One example, computers have been very central in my experience with autistic
>children. Is that interaction social? I would argue very much so. In
>addition in having worked with them one on one communicating physically
>through non-verbal actions, gestures, etc seem very important forms of
>social interaction.
>
>In regards to chemical imbalances do not we come to terms with those in
>Activity we are engaged in. We must not forget that the countless children
>with chemical imbalances (ADHD) rarely take their medication on the weekend.
>And if they do or don't take their medication that is realized in concrete
>ways within activity. They may be moralized, normalized, and many other
>things in concrete ways in social activity that no doubt forms the
>personality. Is not it activity where the child would come to terms with
>this thing called chemical imbalances.
>
>For me the Activity category is useful in that it has the "potential" to
>move away from classical biological / social dichotomies. In short, it is in
>social activity where we come to terms with things like autism, chemical
>imbalances etc. I mean the chemicals inside the head definately don't have
>agency or at least not on the level of human personality. Especially with
>chemical imbalances it seems they are more noticeable in some activities
>than others and this no doubt influences ones personality.
>
>Nate
>
>----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Smagorinsky [mailto:smago@peachnet.campuscwix.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:07 PM
>To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>Subject: RE: leont'ev: externalization/internalization etc
>
>
>I think I might have sent this directly to Helena by mistake. Here's our
>exchange:
>
>I regret that I haven't had time to read the Leont'ev text, though I've
>save it for future reference/reading. In response to Helena's post: I must
>wonder how radically we can attribute personality exclusively to social
>activity. I speak as someone who knows people with chemical imbalances
>whose personalities have changed dramatically through medical interventions
>(e.g., Risperdal for psychotic episodes; Paxil and related medications for
>high anxiety/depression; etc.). One could argue that these medications are
>socially produced and that taking them is part of practical activity, and
>that's true. But what of people who don't have access to the medications
>and therapy and so have personalities that are shaped by their chemical
>makeup? I also think of a couple of young kids I know who are autistic and
>who have very limited social interaction. Surely their biochemistry has a
>lot to do with their personalities.



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