[Xmca-l] Re: The Idea of the Idea

[HENRY SHONERD]

David,
Go to your browser, type in “The stock market is not the economy”. 
Henry

> On Sep 2, 2020, at 5:01 PM, David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Spinoza says that the mnd is the body's idea of itself. But the way he says it is a little weird: he says that the idea of the mind has the same relationship to the mind as the mind has to the body. So the idea of the mind is the idea of the idea of the body of itself. 
> 
> As told Anthony, I think that Spinoza's "idea of the idea" is pretty important for Vygotsky. Just to take an example, when Vygotsky argues (in Chapter Six of T&S and also in his lecture on School Age, which I am currently translating for Volume Two of the Pedological Works) that the reason why the child's other functions have become intellectualized but intellect as such remains unintellectual is that before you can have the idea of the idea, you need to have the idea. 
> 
> Scientific concepts, higher aesthetic concepts, ethical thinking, Darwin's tree, the hierarchy of genus and family and species, the powers of ten in mathematics--all of these depend on the idea of the idea.. My own PhD supervisor, David Butt, points out that every clause ever produced can be given a unique and precise "semantic address" (that is, we can exhaustively describe it in terms of unique, once-occurent choices at the phoneme, word, group, phrase, and clause level). Because each higher rank is entirely and only composed of elements from lower ranks, we can describe the higher rank as an idea of the idea (a notion of a notion, a concept of a concept).
> 
> Yanis Varoufakis argues that sometime in late August, in both the UK and the USA, capitalism made an important and terrifying transition. Although BOTH economies are now in Covid-induced recessions, BOTH are experiencing major stock market expansions. This is because, Varoufakis argues, in both countries there are enough speculators who believe that there are enough speculators who believe that stock prices will increase at least in the short term, despite the dismal prospects for shareholders in the long term. The idea of the idea has become more powerful than the idea itself. 
> 
> (As usual, we are at the cutting edge here in Seoul: our  real estate market has depended entirely on this idea of the idea for years!)  
> 
> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
> 
> New article in Mind, Culture, and Activity:
> Realizations: non-causal but real relationships in and between Halliday, Hasan, and Vygotsky
> 
> Some free e-prints today available at: 
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/Y8YHS3SRW42VXPTVY2Z6/full?target=10.1080*10749039.2020.1806329__;Lw!!Mih3wA!SYDoviZLCzhlKgbWxKcxPab_egS461060WkEHP_BtLzLfYIYgpJab9onRp30NPIy-ybgyQ$  <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/Y8YHS3SRW42VXPTVY2Z6/full?target=10.1080*10749039.2020.1806329__;Lw!!Mih3wA!SRiw8QGioBGwdR67oxWjWvvziYnUdmMNTwZzxYNpjkvhAxGygLOjYitcV25uLPKGy16y6w$>
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> New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works Volume One: Foundations of Pedology"
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