[Xmca-l] Re: ...kind of like guarding Lenin's tomb

[Huw Lloyd]

Yes, to win as in to gain, which is about mastery.

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=win__;!!Mih3wA!TvIqQYgJ5qPvUOa7EbV5KXcJmE-jbwNNru2fEGAQrxLjls5vdL9jGSJLBzhzZAImpjMWHA$ 

And, incidentally,

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=confidence__;!!Mih3wA!TvIqQYgJ5qPvUOa7EbV5KXcJmE-jbwNNru2fEGAQrxLjls5vdL9jGSJLBzhzZAItvdbE3w$ 

But as a life goal, that is something else beyond psychology. :)

Best,
Huw


On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 16:31, Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes.  And winning is generally more fun than losing -- all other things
> being equal.
>
> What do you think of this quotation? I think it's interesting: "Imagine
> that the goal of life isn't to win the game. The goal of human life, in
> some sense, is to with the *set* of all possible games; in order to win the
> set of all possible games, you don't need to win any particular game. You
> have to play in a manner that ensures that you'll be invited to play more
> and more games."
>
> The full context is here; it's a very quick read (a youth sports
> anecdote), like 90 seconds or so: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://bit.ly/2XdQEFF__;!!Mih3wA!TvIqQYgJ5qPvUOa7EbV5KXcJmE-jbwNNru2fEGAQrxLjls5vdL9jGSJLBzhzZAKa5vXB_g$ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://bit.ly/2XdQEFF__;!!Mih3wA!XzDIU8Xkoo3EdYtzN9jRUtNPmuN6pIXRX7nTJQPXKsuc_xKReATPNseCToxtzmO52yUEng$>
>
> Thanks again, Huw.
>
> Anthony
>
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 11:10 AM Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony,
>>
>> If a child predicates their enjoyment on winning, then they will tend to
>> avoid anything that they believe casts them in a bad light. They end up
>> being over-confident about some activities and under-confident about
>> others. Whereas what is sought is true confidence which comes from
>> understanding the nature of understanding, and is best supported by
>> enjoyment in doing. The enjoyment-in-winning is an external,
>> frequently superficial, measure, the enjoyment-in-doing is one's own
>> internal measure which carries its own sense and meaning.
>>
>> Best,
>> Huw
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 14:27, Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Huw.
>>>
>>> I have a six year old too. Why might a disinclination to be cast as a
>>> weaker performer be problematic? I am interested but also think I might be
>>> missing or misunderstanding something.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 5:48 PM Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's an impressive account by Smirnova of a preschool class coming
>>>> to voluntarily take control of their quietude via a game of "who woke
>>>> teddy?" in JREEP 52/4.
>>>>
>>>> A challenge I have wth a near 6 year old is his emphasis upon wanting
>>>> to win games and consequent shyness with activities that cast him as a
>>>> weaker performer.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Huw
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 18:52, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Great question (s), Anthony!
>>>>>
>>>>> Of the shiny top of my head I can identify another. This is from
>>>>> Vivian Paley.
>>>>> It explicitly answers the question of "is this a once and for all
>>>>> change, or a bud that sprouted in just this one rare
>>>>> circumstance."
>>>>> Attached.
>>>>> mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 9:53 AM Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear educators of XMCA -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I have a good question this time!  To avoid redundancy, I
>>>>>> searched the archives for answers and found an interesting thread from ten
>>>>>> years ago.  But I still want to ask this here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What kinds of "guarding Lenin's tomb" type activities have you
>>>>>> thought of and/or used in order to support development?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this great little 2-minute clip, Mike Cole discusses Manuilenko's
>>>>>> tomb-guarding experiment: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tiny.cc/znnvpz__;!!Mih3wA!TvIqQYgJ5qPvUOa7EbV5KXcJmE-jbwNNru2fEGAQrxLjls5vdL9jGSJLBzhzZAI-T9cxwQ$ 
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tiny.cc/znnvpz__;!!Mih3wA!QnyDKMmlGuxChw2AzXV_HvcVQlE8oeBivNWuK6vHi8K43tjlH2D14vGQwFlSGpHZ8pMhQA$>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One can't help but try to think up other types of games (e.g., the
>>>>>> Quiet Game on long car rides) that can function as cultural tools when the
>>>>>> biological alone aren't cutting it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a side note, the short video brought a number of questions to mind
>>>>>> for me, such as:
>>>>>> - where are 'the buds'?
>>>>>> - what are the qualitative reorganizations here?
>>>>>> - why are the buds (e.g, of volition) not yet present for the 3
>>>>>> year-olds, present for the 5 year-olds, and already flowered for the 8
>>>>>> year-olds? (ages are approximate, I know)
>>>>>> - how temporary is the 5 year-olds' improved volition? Does it wear
>>>>>> off? It is now 'activated' for good?
>>>>>> - for the 8 year-olds, is volition fully developed for tasks such as
>>>>>> standing still but still in the 'bud' stage for more demanding acts of will?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But those side questions are not the target of this post. Instead, my
>>>>>> question of the day is (I think a fun one):  What kinds of "guarding
>>>>>> Lenin's tomb" type activities have you thought of and/or used in order to
>>>>>> support development?  (Any age or stage or setting will do)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anthony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
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>>>>> fusions, translations, conjoinings is it made?" Salman Rushdie
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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