[Xmca-l] Re: ...kind of like guarding Lenin's tomb

Fri May 29 08:39:00 PDT 2020

Anthony,
Of course it would be best if you read her work before interviewing her.

Lots of questions come to mind:
-how does this connect with Vygotskyian theory?
-can you describe some of the successes of the All Stars project?
-what is social therapeutics?
-what is "play" in adolescence? in adulthood?

Also, I don't think that Lois is opposed to knowing and knowledge, she is
just suggesting a "shift in focus". Again, probably best if you had a read
of the book before speculating too much about what she *might* mean.

-greg

p.s. why does everything have to be about winning? (I would venture to say
that Life is NOT a competition). Can't we imagine playing games that aren't
about winning? I think that is a big part of Lois' project to get us out of
the stupidity of thinking that joy is somehow connected to winning/losing.
Perhaps that was your point Anthony, but it wasn't especially clear.
And/or is this too "political" of a point since it is the beginnings of a
critique of capitalism?

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 9:03 AM Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you, Greg.
>
> As I scan through these impressive sites, I am drawn more to the All Stars
> project, which reads as having no overt political slant.
> Just a personal preference, though I am looking forward to reading more
> and appreciate the heads-up.
>
> Also, this book blurb for *The Overweight Brain* is intriguing: "When
> educators shift our focus from knowing to growing, we help young people be
> all they can be." David J. Chard, PhD
> I'd prefer "knowing AND growing" but am interested in reading more.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Anthony
>
> P.S. What might be an interview question you would ask?
>
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 10:04 AM Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I neglected the link to what I think is one of the most impressive
>> projects that Lois has been involved in, the Allstars Project:
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://allstars.org/__;!!Mih3wA!SmC7mVkbNzBF6a9N8zlzr8PqBf50lSPgkDPazwZNuAEG9t64Vqncu1v4mR9Pa6tgU5X4gw$ 
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://allstars.org/__;!!Mih3wA!QkjU-77lpmDqgQ5M0uKTjdBSHgpGnUia75S5I6QL1XNm2fMacxyYygNM8x2aFkJ7WAFzuQ$>
>>
>> -greg
>>
>> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 7:39 AM Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anthony,
>>>
>>> Lois Holzman has done great work taking the power of "pretend" to older
>>> kids (high schoolers) with the East Side Institute and her development of
>>> social therapeutics. I find this to be particularly interesting since most
>>> Vygotskians tend to focus on younger age kids (as can be seen in all the
>>> examples mentioned thus far).
>>>
>>> Here is her personal page:
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://loisholzman.org/__;!!Mih3wA!SmC7mVkbNzBF6a9N8zlzr8PqBf50lSPgkDPazwZNuAEG9t64Vqncu1v4mR9Pa6v2J_Rm9Q$ 
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://loisholzman.org/__;!!Mih3wA!QkjU-77lpmDqgQ5M0uKTjdBSHgpGnUia75S5I6QL1XNm2fMacxyYygNM8x2aFkIeM1JbCw$>
>>> (Esp. note her book Vygotsky at Work and Play.)
>>>
>>> And here is the page of of the East Side Institute:
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eastsideinstitute.org/__;!!Mih3wA!SmC7mVkbNzBF6a9N8zlzr8PqBf50lSPgkDPazwZNuAEG9t64Vqncu1v4mR9Pa6vskHXqHw$ 
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eastsideinstitute.org/__;!!Mih3wA!QkjU-77lpmDqgQ5M0uKTjdBSHgpGnUia75S5I6QL1XNm2fMacxyYygNM8x2aFkJq269Skw$>
>>>
>>> Would be great if you could get an interview with her - if you can
>>> catch her!
>>>
>>> -greg
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:53 AM Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Mike.  I like this Franklin kid, and I never would've met him
>>>> without you sharing that chapter.
>>>>
>>>> And here, in the closing paragraph, is one great answer to my question
>>>> about "guarding Lenin's tomb" type activities that likely support
>>>> development:
>>>> "Suddenly I recognize the difference between telling a child he must
>>>> share and saying, 'Pretend you are a boy who knows how to share.'  The
>>>> first method announces that a child has done something wrong. 'Pretend'
>>>> disarms and enchants: it suggests heroic possibilities for making changes,
>>>> just as in the fairy tales."
>>>>
>>>> I hope we'll hear more ideas (be they role-playing or anything else)
>>>> from many others on this listserv.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone ~
>>>> Anthony
>>>>
>>>> P.S. I've done a lot of role-playing with middle and high school
>>>> students, mainly via in-role writing, which they tend to enjoy and succeed
>>>> at -- but I really can't evaluate it from a development perspective, or
>>>> more specifically from a development-of-higher-psychological-functions
>>>> perspective.  Anyhow, a snapshot is here, and it's something that can
>>>> likely be amended for any age: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tiny.cc/upoxpz__;!!Mih3wA!SmC7mVkbNzBF6a9N8zlzr8PqBf50lSPgkDPazwZNuAEG9t64Vqncu1v4mR9Pa6t0q6xSwg$ 
>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tiny.cc/upoxpz__;!!Mih3wA!TUH9TLwmfw8pwJ5lHRr3-kPrfEl6T5CLUAQdZ11uTtm67tXMvbgGUy1AZFkuhNIO6Lr5Dw$>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 1:52 PM mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Great question (s), Anthony!
>>>>>
>>>>> Of the shiny top of my head I can identify another. This is from
>>>>> Vivian Paley.
>>>>> It explicitly answers the question of "is this a once and for all
>>>>> change, or a bud that sprouted in just this one rare
>>>>> circumstance."
>>>>> Attached.
>>>>> mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 9:53 AM Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear educators of XMCA -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I have a good question this time!  To avoid redundancy, I
>>>>>> searched the archives for answers and found an interesting thread from ten
>>>>>> years ago.  But I still want to ask this here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What kinds of "guarding Lenin's tomb" type activities have you
>>>>>> thought of and/or used in order to support development?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this great little 2-minute clip, Mike Cole discusses Manuilenko's
>>>>>> tomb-guarding experiment: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tiny.cc/znnvpz__;!!Mih3wA!SmC7mVkbNzBF6a9N8zlzr8PqBf50lSPgkDPazwZNuAEG9t64Vqncu1v4mR9Pa6uJjTII4w$ 
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tiny.cc/znnvpz__;!!Mih3wA!QnyDKMmlGuxChw2AzXV_HvcVQlE8oeBivNWuK6vHi8K43tjlH2D14vGQwFlSGpHZ8pMhQA$>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One can't help but try to think up other types of games (e.g., the
>>>>>> Quiet Game on long car rides) that can function as cultural tools when the
>>>>>> biological alone aren't cutting it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a side note, the short video brought a number of questions to mind
>>>>>> for me, such as:
>>>>>> - where are 'the buds'?
>>>>>> - what are the qualitative reorganizations here?
>>>>>> - why are the buds (e.g, of volition) not yet present for the 3
>>>>>> year-olds, present for the 5 year-olds, and already flowered for the 8
>>>>>> year-olds? (ages are approximate, I know)
>>>>>> - how temporary is the 5 year-olds' improved volition? Does it wear
>>>>>> off? It is now 'activated' for good?
>>>>>> - for the 8 year-olds, is volition fully developed for tasks such as
>>>>>> standing still but still in the 'bud' stage for more demanding acts of will?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But those side questions are not the target of this post. Instead, my
>>>>>> question of the day is (I think a fun one):  What kinds of "guarding
>>>>>> Lenin's tomb" type activities have you thought of and/or used in order to
>>>>>> support development?  (Any age or stage or setting will do)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anthony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> "How does newness come into the world?  How is it born?  Of what
>>>>> fusions, translations, conjoinings is it made?" Salman Rushdie
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
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>>>>> Archival resources website: lchc.ucsd.edu.
>>>>> Narrative history of LCHC:  lchcautobio.ucsd.edu.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>>> Assistant Professor
>>> Department of Anthropology
>>> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>>> Brigham Young University
>>> Provo, UT 84602
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> Department of Anthropology
>> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>> Brigham Young University
>> Provo, UT 84602
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>>
>

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Department of Anthropology
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Brigham Young University
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