[Xmca-l] Re: Your views on a question.

[Anthony Barra]

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about here, although my sense is
that it's wildly wrong, in various ways. I am confused but hope you have a
nice day, regardless.

Anthony



On Sunday, June 21, 2020, Harshad Dave <hhdave15@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Atten.: Anthony Barra and David Kellog.
>
> Hi,
>
> This is with reference to your replies to my message. I am thankful for
> the same and regret for the delay in reply. I used the word “apartheid”
> just in the sense of racism, complains of blacks/brown that they are
> discriminated in social dealing by whites etc. David Kellog - Thanks for
> the detail source of the word “apartheid”, however I request you to take
> its meaning in the same sense as expressed above. The suggested/recommended
> articles are viewed in a glancing by me; I recall I have read them (one or
> more) on Academia web. You will agree their subject matter is different.
> Anthony Barra – The article that was recommended by you is read by me and
> it touches on various realities in the subject matter of our topic.
>
> I just put my views against the question I asked in my message dtd. 17
> June 2020.
>
> There are two most probable answers.
>
> 1.      The turned out black European people will be the victim of racism
> (discrimination) by the turned out white people from African origin.
>
> 2.      The situation remains the same and the world will see protests
> and fights on an issue or against a complaining that the black European
> people discriminate white people of African origin in the USA.
>
> I leave it to the readers to give their logical consideration to the one
> out of the above two, but my opinion says the second answer will hold good,
> but one should not forget it is just true on hypothetical presumption.
>
> It is a mistake to believe that *the attitude of discrimination* and *sickness
> of racism *harbor in the color of the skin. In fact above
> altitude/sickness is founded on the difference of *mental socio economic
> formation status* of two men. There is a basic difference between the two
> statuses of *mental socio economic formation *of black people of African
> origin and that of white people of European origin. I believe that a mass
> of people constituting a society with advanced socio economic formation has
> fair chances to exploit the mass of people constituting a society with
> backward socio economic formation. It is equally true for two classes of
> peoples at different *mental socio economic formation status* also. But,
> here (in the USA) both the classes of people are living in the same society
> with one *constitution* and uniform *rule of laws*. It is absurd to
> believe that the present socio economic formation of the society of the USA
> (21st century) has prevailed and occupied equally and uniformly by each
> and every citizen of the USA. One might find various people in the present
> society of the USA with different levels of *mental socio economic
> formation status*. It is really a complicated situation when the society
> is throughout with the latest socio economic formation and members of the
> society are with varying levels of *mental socio economic formation
> status* in the same society. Let me present part of the message of
> Abraham Lincoln before I finish this message.
>
> Fourth Debate: Charleston, Illinois – September 18, 1858.
>
> “*I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing
> about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black
> races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making
> voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to
> intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there
> is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe
> will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and
> political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do
> remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I
> as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position
> assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that
> because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be
> denied everything.*”
>
>
>
> Here it is between the lines that difference in the *mental socio
> economic formation status* could be compensated to some extent, but for
> equality people with backward *mental socio economic formation status*
> will have to work hard to develop the same.
>
> I clarify, neither I am in favor of nor against the victims of the issue
> of discrimination and racism as far as my contemplation on the subject
> matter is to be carried out. But, I just want to explain where the real
> cause harbors.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Harshad Dave
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 6:01 PM David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Harshad:
>>
>> I am still a little stunned by the last post you wrote, with all the
>> references to predatory shopkeepers. It sounded like the stuff of a pogrom.
>> As we discussed in the "My Hometown Minneapolis" thread, the threats to
>> shopkeepers in Minneapolis often targeted South Asians, and had nothing to
>> do with the police (except that the police may have been involved and
>> certainly profitted from the looting politically).
>>
>> "Apartheid" is a term invented by the South African sociologist Verwoerd,
>> who studied with the Gestalists. Some Gestaltists, like Narziss Ach and
>> Felix Krueger, became Nazis; Verwoerd himself became, as you probably know,
>> prime minister of South Africa and brought in the system of apartheid which
>> Gandhi struggled against during his early years. The term used in my
>> hometown Minneapolis is not "apartheid" but segregation: it is
>> euphemistically referred to as "redlining" (by insurance companies) and
>> "racial covenants" but not as "apartheid".
>>
>> Segregation and Jim Crow in Minneapolis is not based on pigmentation.
>> Many "white" people are darker than blacks, and many black people are
>> lighter than whites, because of the centuries of rape and the enthusiasm of
>> slave owners for the practice of selling their own children. The last time
>> I visited the "housing project"near where I grew up it was full of Hmong
>> from Southeast Asia. Segregation in Minneapolis is above all a matter of
>> class.
>>
>> David Kellogg
>> Sangmyung University
>>
>> New Article: Ruqaiya Hasan, in memoriam: A manual and a manifesto.
>> Outlines, Spring 2020
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tidsskrift.dk/outlines/article/view/116238__;!!Mih3wA!R6m_25hObAE_kgZiOAdnjY-yUHh-Q-oSzszvX3H_zJ7ZD-QLHbraz6GH8qKjwn1tLqI-Fg$ 
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>> New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: *L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works* *Volume
>> One: Foundations of Pedology*"
>>  https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270__;!!Mih3wA!R6m_25hObAE_kgZiOAdnjY-yUHh-Q-oSzszvX3H_zJ7ZD-QLHbraz6GH8qKjwn1xrm8oaA$ 
>>
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270__;!!Mih3wA!Q_T1T-yScWKk-O8fAQy2MGeFpRYlWFTJaOfWiNV6OlC8kQDKN2JeAffKU6p3X_VyIA0yng$>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:16 PM Harshad Dave <hhdave15@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear all there,
>>>
>>> We all are aware of the event of the death of George Floyd in the USA
>>> under police custody. There are flows of opinions, comments and views on
>>> the event with different aspects all over the world. There are debates and
>>> discussions on the event on innumerable web sites, we find them in
>>> newspapers and among the talks of people at private and public places. We
>>> just do not talk about riots and other events happened under agony and out
>>> burst of anger on the unfortunate death of Floyd, however, voice against
>>> apartheid was the major cry behind them.
>>> Though there are various vital aspects of the event, *apartheid*
>>> remained prime of them.
>>> I simply ask one question to my friends who read this post.
>>>
>>> Let us hypothetically presume, on one day fine morning, when people of
>>> the USA awake, they find that skin color of all the blacks is changed to
>>> perfectly white like european people and the skin color of all the
>>> europeans changed to black like negro.
>>> I ask my friends, "What will be the status of *apartheid* in this
>>> situation?"
>>>
>>> NB: I write one article on the ill fated event and its aspects. Your
>>> views on the above question will help me to write my views with more
>>> clarity in the article.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Harshad Dave
>>>
>>>
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