[Xmca-l] Re: My Hometown Minneapolis

[Anthony Barra]

Could be, Ulvi.

...and likely some more trump, largely due to excesses of the left (e.g.,
abolish police; e.g., https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tiny.cc/mn0cqz__;!!Mih3wA!W9WzUcyeOYdUjWflg1lfWqLv5KemYr1G5d_RxTUPtVH0vnWMIVeJQAjXHKzV4ZVfiuCsNQ$  -- that's our foremost
intellectual on the left; my cousin on the right).  This is part 1 of your
answer, Martin.

Overreactions abound.

Ulvi -- some of my friends on the political right have similar explanations
as you, re: grand mechanisms deceiving the masses. They just have a
different culprit. I don't who is closer to accurate - my guess is neither
of you - but what is interesting is the similarity. And even if inaccurate,
it is quite soothing (in that enraging kind of way) the have a perpetual
scapegoat for all things complex, confusing, and/or bad.

This isn't even a criticism. More of an observation. In some ways, an
observation of shared humanity : )

Personally, I think there's a lot of partial accuracy floating around.
Tucker Carlson has some shades of truth in his "deception by the cultural
marxists" theory; you probably have some slivers of truth in your
"deception by capitalism" theory -- in both cases, slivers of truth are
massively seductive, even if flat wrong or, to be more charitable,
unknowable.



To all: I'm sorry for posting so much here lately.  Blame it on social
distancing and the perils of working from home.

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 10:15 AM Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> wrote:

> Obama was irrelevant too to these social problems and world left and a
> strong part of civilized world were contaminated by Obama mania.
> This is a mechanism of capitalism to deceive masses since Louis Blanc in
> 1848.
> Some bush, then some obama, then some trump.
> Macron to prevent Le Pen.
> Corbyn to prevent Johnson.
> The same everywhere.
>
> 5 Haz 2020 Cum 17:06 tarihinde Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org> şunu
> yazdı:
>
>> Anthony, American cops were killing people before Trump and they'll most
>> likely still be killing people after Trump. There've  been plenty of
>> pandemics before Trump and there will be more in the future. And you want
>> to make this about Trump??! The only reason Trump is relevant to these big
>> social problems is that he's irrelevant to them but he's the President.
>> Hard to avoid that.
>>
>> Andy
>> ------------------------------
>> *Andy Blunden*
>> Hegel for Social Movements
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://brill.com/view/title/54574__;!!Mih3wA!TvNGfZT3foXO79R35UiiDflFikY80p4yEZNS-Dzs0wN9By8BjPFU25VtnMF8vNwDxCZ0Vw$>
>> Home Page
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm__;!!Mih3wA!TvNGfZT3foXO79R35UiiDflFikY80p4yEZNS-Dzs0wN9By8BjPFU25VtnMF8vNyL1X98vA$>
>> On 5/06/2020 11:40 pm, Anthony Barra wrote:
>>
>> I, too, like avoiding politics here, but this will be a social
>> analysis/dialectics question, piggybacking on a fair amount of the rest of
>> this "Minneapolis" thread.  So don't ban me! : )
>>
>>
>> Rhetorical hyperbole aside, is this the biggest Straw Man of all time, or
>> are a percentage of the following sentences true? My guess is: both. (At
>> first I thought that everyone here would reflexively reject and dismiss
>> this Social Analysis out of hand - and understandably too, but now I'm
>> wondering if some parts of it might be acknowledged, unapologetically, as
>> in fact correct.)
>>
>> "This is about Donald Trump. Of course it is. We just couldn't see it.
>> For normal people, Donald Trump is a president: you may like him, you may
>> not like him, but either way there will be another president at some point,
>> and we will move on as we always have.  But for Donald Trump's enemies:
>> there is nothing else. Everything is about Trump; everything. Donald Trump
>> defines their friendships, their careers, their marriages. Donald Trump
>> affects how they raise their children. Trump occupies the very center of
>> their lives. As long as Donald Trump remains in the White House, they feel
>> powerless and diminished and panicked, and they cannot be happy.
>>
>> In everything they do, their overriding goal is to remove Donald Trump
>> from office. And that's exactly what they're trying to do now. That's what
>> these riots are about.
>>
>> The most privileged in our society are using the most desperate in our
>> society to seize power from everyone else. Got that? That's the nub of it:
>> the most privileged are using the most desperate to seize power from the
>> rest of us. They are not seeking racial justice. If they were seeking
>> racial justice, they wouldn't be denouncing their fellow Americans for
>> their race - which they are. It has nothing to do with it. What they are
>> seeking is total control of the country. And it goes without saying that
>> none of this has anything to do with George Floyd. Shame on those who
>> pretended that it did. Those who fell for the lie, and those who knew
>> better but played along because they are cowards."
>>
>> Souce: Tucker Carlson, "Liberal activists now want to 'defund the
>> police'"
>>
>> (P.S. My own personal utopia would be to synthesize the very best ideas
>> of the left with the very best of the right, but alas, that is by
>> definition a dream, by definition "no place.")
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any thoughts (and yes, this thread is
>> America-centric, starting from post #1 about the great city of Minneapolis
>> -- sorry to those understandably not interested).
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 5:27 AM Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, I'll take a look. Sounds similar to dialectics, little I know
>>> of both.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 4, 2020, Richard Beach <rbeach@umn.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anthony, the concept of “expansive learning” posits that objects/motive
>>>> in activity are ideally always open to change/transformation—that they are
>>>> never fixed given that as participants encounter new
>>>> contradictions/challenges, they “learn to”/formulate new objects/motives.
>>>> This requires learners to be open to exploring optional actions/tools/norms
>>>> as they redefine/revise their ever expanding objects/motives.
>>>>
>>>> Coping with decades-long racist practices in Minneapolis, requires
>>>> “expansive learning” to continually experiment with new objects/motives
>>>> given that some of the tools/practices attempted in the past haven’t
>>>> necessarily worked, although attempts were made to do so, only to be
>>>> blocked by a timid political leadership
>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.startribune.com/in-2008-we-had-a-reform-plan-for-the-mpd-it-got-derailed-by-politics/570998162/__;!!Mih3wA!SLGpQj8PmApHqKlEeH3z-ohB8R76qeqnpglVMrj9N2HOiJRn_QxL9FXpHMmS9eXEdK2Cgg$>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> For more on expansive learning theory, see attached reports:
>>>> Engeström,Y., & Sannino, A. (2010). Studies of expansive learning:
>>>> Foundations, findings and future challenges. *Educational Research
>>>> Review, 5*, 1–24.
>>>> Sannino, A., Engeström, Y., & Lemos, M. (2016). Formative interventions
>>>> for expansivelearning and transformative agency. *Journal of the
>>>> Learning Sciences, 25*(4), 599-633.
>>>>
>>>>
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