[Xmca-l] Re: Female Scholars in the Work of Vygotsky

[David Kellogg]

Well, she was thirty years older than he was, wasn't he? At the time he
left Moscow for Gomel, Vygotsky would have been twenty-one and she would
have been well into her fifties. So it seems to me more likely that with
the Germans about to attack Gomel, and the younger son ill, the elder son
was really wanted at home. Remember too that the Psychology of the Actor's
Art was probably written nearly ten years after this....

I initially found the Zavershneva-van der Veer notebooks rather
embarrassing because of speculations like this. But we know from the
notebooks that Roza Smekhova was not his first love (see their notes on
"The Trip to London"); that he tried to write a book "About the New Jewry"
with another woman, presumably Jewish, called R. Yu: (p. 44). and that he
appears to have had a passionate relationship with her. None of this should
surprise us, since "A was a man, take him for all in all/We shall not look
upon his like again."

Annalisa--the Spinoza connection is not explicit in Anthony's text. He
invited me to freewheel on whatever it was I was smoking at the time, so I
did. Here's what happened:

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David Kellogg
Sangmyung University

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On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:37 PM Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu>
wrote:

> Hi David,
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> I am trying to figure out Gurevich’s relationship with Vygotsky (if there
> was one).  I first start exploring Gurevich in terms of Stanislavski, but
> as I got deeper into it I realized Gurevich was a brilliant scholar on her
> own and a fascinating character in history.  The evidence for a
> relationship was circumstantial. They were both theater critics around the
> same time in Moscow. Gurevich probably arranged salons that Vygotsky
> attended. Gurevich has a Jewish father (although she was raised Roman
> Catholic) and has a distinct sense of otherness because of her Jewish
> background. Her family in general seemed very similar, although perhaps
> more sophisticated as they were in St. Petersburg. When Vygotsky left
> Moscow the first time he seemed to be a dyed in the wool symbolist (at
> least from I have read). Gurevich was the leader of the symbolist movement.
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> In psychology of the actor Vygotsky uses Gurevich to some extent to argue
> that Vaktanghov, who believe was one of Stanislavski’s first students at
> the second MAT Actor’s studio was not breaking away from Stanislavski with
> new ideas (I sometimes think that Vygotsky was speaking to his own students
> through this).
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> This is highly speculative. I have always been dubious that Vygotsky left
> Moscow the first time to take care of his sick mother and brother. He was
> living his fantasy and it seems too much like a 19th century melodrama. I
> wonder if his family called him back because he was associating with people
> like Gurevich who it seems was quite scandalous.
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> I think there are good reasons to think he took the concept perezhivanie
> from Gurevich. She had just written a short book on it and Diderot’s
> paradox in 1927.
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> Anyway, I am trying to collect any evidence I can find that Gurevich had
> some type of relationship with Vygotsky in any way I can.
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> All a work in progress.
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> Michael
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> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *David Kellogg
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2020 8:38 AM
> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Female Scholars in the Work of Vygotsky
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> Try Volume Five in English, Volume Four in Russian for Grunwald (it is
> misspelt in English), the short selections from Pedology of the Adolescent.
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> I think it would help me to help you if I knew what significance you are
> trying to attribute to this putative lack of citations. Since you have
> Volume Six, you know that Vygotsky cites Charlotte Buhler (p. 5), Lia
> Geshelina (11), Julia Kotelova (12), Rosa Levina (15), E.I. Pashkovskaya
> (12),  Natalya Menchinskaya (42), as well as N.G. Morozova (9), Liya
> Slavina (43) and Lydia Bozhovich (43). It would also help if I knew why you
> think that promoting the work of female colleagues doesn't count as
> promoting the work of female scholars. It seems to me that all of these
> colleagues and/or scholars are cited pretty much in the same way he cites
> Gurevich, that is, with a footnote, a reference to a study, a quotation,
> sometimes a whole paragraph or more, They are listed in the index and in
> the references, probably by the editors--Vygotsky was indiscriminately
> careless about citing chapter and verse, although not unusually so for his
> time and place. It is certainly interesting that there are more Soviet than
> non-Soviet female scholars, but there are also more German than
> non-German/non-Soviet female scholars, and more junior female researchers
> than non-female junior researchers, which is probably also true of our own
> time and place. So what exactly do you make of it?
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> Perhaps you can help me as well, Michael. For our thirteenth volume, I am
> interested in the reference to Ekaterina Olimnievna Shumova-Simanovskaya in
> Volume Six (English and Russian). She is cited as "others" by Vygotsky (94)
> and by name in W.B. Cannon's work on the James Lange theory but I can find
> no citation of her work in the work of her professor, I.P. Pavlov, which I
> guess is Vygotsky's source. Did Cannon know her personally?
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> We are proud to present the third volume of the Pedology of the Adolescent
> in Korean (see attached). For anyone in Seoul, we will have a promotional
> "Book Concert" for the whole eleven-volume series downtown next Saturday if
> there is no Covid spike in the interim. I'll be talking about Vygotsky and
> sex education (in Korean only).
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> David Kellogg
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> Sangmyung University
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>
> New Article: Ruqaiya Hasan, in memoriam: A manual and a manifesto.
>
> Outlines, Spring 2020
>
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> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 8:43 PM Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu>
> wrote:
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> Hello David,
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> Thank you for all your effort. It is much appreciated.
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> I think though maybe Slavina, Morozova, and Peshkovskaya are part of what
> Yasnitksy referred to as Vygotsky’s circle (student working with him). Did
> he actually formally cite their published work and use it to advance his
> argument or did he only mention them. Maybe, I can’t find it. I guess I
> should have been more explicit, this is what I meant by cite.  His did this
> for Gurevich in Psychology of the actor and Krupskaya in Social Alteration
> of Man.
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> The others, is it like Montersorri in Thinking and Speech (which I also
> see as an extended mention) or more direct. I looked on p. 95 for Grunwald
> but didn’t see it. Perhaps I am looking in the wrong volume.
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> Michael
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> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *David Kellogg
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2020 5:08 PM
> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Female Scholars in the Work of Vygotsky
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> Vygotsky was scruplulous about citing and promoting his own female
> colleagues, including Slavina, Morozova, Peshkovskaya.  There are many
> letters between Vygotsky and Morozova in particular which suggest that the
> latter suffered from imposter syndrome and that Vygotsky recognized this
> and successfully made her into a scholar of national stature.
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> Vygotsky widely cited foreign scholars like Charlotte Buhler, Clara Stern,
> Hildegard Hetzer, Beatrix Tudor-Hart, Maria Montessori, Helga Eng. All of
> these and more can be looked up in the index of the Collected Works.
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> In the work I am doing now, Vygotsky uses the work of almost unknown
> teachers: Sister Lucia Vecerka, Maria Ziller, Elizabeth Monchamp, Eugenie
> Moritz....
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> One of the Saussurean linguists he often refers to is Rosalie Shor.
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> These can be found in Pedology of the Adolescent.
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> David Kellogg
>
> Sangmyung University
>
>
>
> New Article: Ruqaiya Hasan, in memoriam: A manual and a manifesto.
>
> Outlines, Spring 2020
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tidsskrift.dk/outlines/article/view/116238__;!!Mih3wA!SZ8iFJI9Hggu1-kXmR5SaSPIlLyPhVpRS-KoHtUXvJd_U54ZuNis4--gOeHuQwnNmNEz7w$ 
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> New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: *L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works* *Volume
> One: Foundations of Pedology*"
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