[Xmca-l] Re: Research on refugees/immigrants/migrants and Legitimate Peripheral Participation?

[Andy Blunden]

My interest, Alfredo, rather than taking something to an 
extreme to prove a point, was to try to see the situation 
(peripheral participation, apprenticeship, maser/servant 
relations, etc.) as normal, ethically sanctioned, everyday 
relations. In my view, it is in such everyday relations that 
exploitation and oppression happens. The very person or 
organisation which you turn to to meet your needs may be the 
vehicle for your exploitation.

Think of employment, the Catholic Church, the family, 
political parties, ...

Andy

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*Andy Blunden*
https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
On 28/06/2019 9:03 pm, Alfredo Jornet Gil wrote:
>
> Hi Helena, all,
>
>
> yes, I can see how CHAT can be relevant to fighting 
> oppression and de-humanisation. I was wondering more about 
> the peripheral participation metaphor in Lave and Wenger. 
> I guess my question has to do with the challenge of 
> thinking of participation in a context in which all 
> opportunities to pursue the satisfaction of your 
> basic human needs are shutdown and taken away from you 
> through violence. Andy seems to imply in his response that 
> this is still some form of participation. Not sure about 
> that. I wonder if the notion of participation holds when 
> agency no longer is a possibility. But of course, I was 
> reducing the question to the very narrow case of children 
> being held in inhumane conditions. I thought that this 
> reduction to the extreme may be useful for thinking the 
> limits of our theoretical premises, an exercise that may 
> be particularly relevant in the context of existential 
> crisis in which we find ourselves; as a means to imagine 
> how far we can go with our current ideas and what sort of 
> action/thinking needs to be done in a context in which we 
> may be pushed to the limit, right before the point of no 
> longer being.
>
>
> Sorry Greg for having taken your initial request for a 
> walk... Thanks for having opening the other thread to more 
> properly address your initial question.
>
>
> Alfredo
>
>
>
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> *From:* Helena Worthen <helenaworthen@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 27 June 2019 15:13
> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> *Cc:* Alfredo Jornet Gil
> *Subject:* Re: [Xmca-l] Re: Research on 
> refugees/immigrants/migrants and Legitimate Peripheral 
> Participation?
> Alfredo — Try turning the question around: how does CHAT 
> surface (make visible to the researcher) the activities 
> that are taking place in a community of practice where 
> people are fighting oppression and de-humanisation? What 
> are these people doing to carry on the fight?
>
> CHAT’s power to reveal conflict and contradiction comes 
> into play here.
>
> This is an issue that kept rising and then sinking during 
>  the consensus points discussion for Re-Gen.
>
>
> helenaworthen@gmail.com <mailto:helenaworthen@gmail.com>
> helena.worthen1
>
>> On Jun 27, 2019, at 7:18 AM, Alfredo Jornet Gil 
>> <a.j.gil@ils.uio.no <mailto:a.j.gil@ils.uio.no>> wrote:
>>
>> Just to add, that the problem I'd like to learn more 
>> about is, how does a framework that takes apprenticeship 
>> and community as starting point help when the object of 
>> research is one that concerns oppression and dehumanisation?
>>
>>
>> Alfredo
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu 
>> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> 
>> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu 
>> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> on behalf of 
>> Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@ils.uio.no 
>> <mailto:a.j.gil@ils.uio.no>>
>> *Sent:* 27 June 2019 02:37
>> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Research on 
>> refugees/immigrants/migrants and Legitimate Peripheral 
>> Participation?
>>
>> I cannot help with this, Greg, since I don't know of work 
>> specifically connecting the two. But if your student gets 
>> to write about that, I'd be very interested in reading 
>> her/his work.
>>
>>
>> A few days ago, I was listening Amy Goodman's interview 
>> with a lawyer who visited children detention centres in 
>> the US border. I literally cried as I was commuting to 
>> work listening to the horrendous inhumanity being described.
>>
>>
>> (Interview here:) 
>> https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2019/6/24
>>
>>
>> Now, reading your question, I wondered, what is 
>> "legitimate participation" for a child in a detention 
>> center? What is the center and what the periphery in such 
>> a context? And for a Syrian refugee in a shelter in 
>> Turkey? Is there anything like a community of practice 
>> that belongs to being a refugee or immigrant?
>>
>>
>> Not that I am sceptical about or questioning the 
>> relevance of the approach to the issue. Just that I don't 
>> know how, would like to know.
>>
>>
>> Best,​
>>
>> Alfredo
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu 
>> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> 
>> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu 
>> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> on behalf of 
>> Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>>
>> *Sent:* 26 June 2019 18:23
>> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Research on 
>> refugees/immigrants/migrants and Legitimate Peripheral 
>> Participation?
>> Just wondering if anyone out there could point me to 
>> research on refugees/immigrants/migrants and Legitimate 
>> Peripheral Participation (or otherwise connect the former 
>> with Lave and Wenger's communities of practice)?
>>
>> (this is for a student of mine)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Greg
>>
>> -- 
>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> Department of Anthropology
>> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>> Brigham Young University
>> Provo, UT 84602
>> WEBSITE: greg.a.thompson.byu.edu 
>> <http://greg.a.thompson.byu.edu/>
>> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
>
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