[Xmca-l] Re: Research on refugees/immigrants/migrants and Legitimate Peripheral Participation?
Andy Blunden
andyb@marxists.org
Thu Jun 27 07:41:40 PDT 2019
I don't agree with that. The classic mode of exploitation is
private ownership of the social means of production, but
being "conscious" of this as a means of exploitation labels
you as a Communist, which the majority are not
andy
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*Andy Blunden*
https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
On 28/06/2019 12:36 am, Huw Lloyd wrote:
> Well, you say it is exceptional to be exploited in that
> manner. Rather it seems unexceptional. It is only
> exceptional if one takes the position that one is only
> being exploited if one is conscious of it ... which may be
> the case.
>
> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 15:11, Andy Blunden
> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>
> Yes, of course. This does no contradict the point I am
> making at all. Just an elaboration of it.
>
> andy
>
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> *Andy Blunden*
> https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
> On 28/06/2019 12:01 am, Huw Lloyd wrote:
>> "If, for example, the apprentice already had the
>> skills and tools required for the relevant practice
>> then they would* not *need an apprenticeship and
>> would not be vulnerable to exploitation."
>>
>> Those forms of exploitation come via the necessity
>> credentials, certification, probationary periods etc.
>> Of course, if one genuinely has the skill, then one
>> may find (the rare) employers who are able to
>> recognise it. There are mobility issues to being
>> stupefied through indoctrination, just as there are
>> mobility issues to declining it. :)
>>
>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 14:47, Andy Blunden
>> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Oops. typos ... fixed
>>
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>> *Andy Blunden*
>> https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>> On 27/06/2019 11:35 pm, Andy Blunden wrote:
>>>
>>> Alfredo, I think it is precisely by
>>> participation in a common activity (or project
>>> or community of practice) that oppression takes
>>> place. The apprentice voluntarily submits
>>> themself to the activity and the division of
>>> labour, roles, etc., inherent in it. The master
>>> necessarily has power over the apprentice, and
>>> active attention is required to avoid
>>> exploitation and oppression to avoid the master
>>> exploiting the apprentice in the process of
>>> inducting them into the practice.
>>>
>>> If, for example, the apprentice already had the
>>> skills and tools required for the relevant
>>> practice then they would*not *need an
>>> apprenticeship and would not be vulnerable to
>>> exploitation.
>>>
>>> Although exploitation and oppression probably
>>> does occur when the master does not have
>>> anything that the apprentice needs, but I think
>>> that is exceptional.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
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>>> *Andy Blunden*
>>> https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>>> On 27/06/2019 9:18 pm, Alfredo Jornet Gil wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just to add, that the problem I'd like to learn
>>>> more about is, how does a framework that takes
>>>> apprenticeship and community as starting point
>>>> help when the object of research is one that
>>>> concerns oppression and dehumanisation?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alfredo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>>> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>>> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> on
>>>> behalf of Alfredo Jornet Gil
>>>> <a.j.gil@ils.uio.no> <mailto:a.j.gil@ils.uio.no>
>>>> *Sent:* 27 June 2019 02:37
>>>> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Research on
>>>> refugees/immigrants/migrants and Legitimate
>>>> Peripheral Participation?
>>>>
>>>> I cannot help with this, Greg, since I don't
>>>> know of work specifically connecting
>>>> the two. But if your student gets to write
>>>> about that, I'd be very interested in reading
>>>> her/his work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A few days ago, I was listening Amy Goodman's
>>>> interview with a lawyer who visited
>>>> children detention centres in the US border. I
>>>> literally cried as I was commuting to work
>>>> listening to the horrendous inhumanity being
>>>> described.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Interview here:)
>>>> https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2019/6/24
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now, reading your question, I wondered, what is
>>>> "legitimate participation" for a child in a
>>>> detention center? What is the center and what
>>>> the periphery in such a context? And for a
>>>> Syrian refugee in a shelter in Turkey? Is there
>>>> anything like a community of practice that
>>>> belongs to being a refugee or immigrant?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not that I am sceptical about or questioning
>>>> the relevance of the approach to the issue.
>>>> Just that I don't know how, would like to know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Alfredo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>>> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>>> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> on
>>>> behalf of Greg Thompson
>>>> <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* 26 June 2019 18:23
>>>> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Research on
>>>> refugees/immigrants/migrants and Legitimate
>>>> Peripheral Participation?
>>>> Just wondering if anyone out there could point
>>>> me to research on refugees/immigrants/migrants
>>>> and Legitimate Peripheral Participation (or
>>>> otherwise connect the former with Lave and
>>>> Wenger's communities of practice)?
>>>>
>>>> (this is for a student of mine)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>> Department of Anthropology
>>>> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>>>> Brigham Young University
>>>> Provo, UT 84602
>>>> WEBSITE: greg.a.thompson.byu.edu
>>>> <http://greg.a.thompson.byu.edu>
>>>> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
>>
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