[Xmca-l] Re: Intrinsic / Extrinsic Motivation

[Patrick Jaki]

Hello Everyone,

I, also like Andy, struggle to understand why all and sundry struggle with
the instinsic and extrinsic motivation dichotomy. Haven't we unwittingly
imported the Cartesian dualism into motivation?

*Patrick Jaki*

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019, 16:36 Coppens, Andrew, <Andrew.Coppens@unh.edu> wrote:

> I don’t know much about a characteristically CHAT objection to the
> distinction but, to my mind, the main problem is in how intrinsic
> motivation is characterized (i.e., acultural, ahistorical) and that
> extrinsic motivation is set up as its opposite (i.e., not just a
> distinction but a dichotomy). These two features of the theory create many
> problems regarding what I need a theory of motivation to help explain.
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> My objections might counter some primary CHAT texts, but there are a
> number of reasons I can imagine being OK with that.
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> / Andrew
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> For some reason which I have never understood many CHAT people seem to be
> set against this distinction. And yet the distinction is intrinsic to A N
> Leontyev's Activity Theory. In addition, Alasdair MacIntyre uses it to, in
> my opinion to great effect, such that I cannot imagine a theory of
> motivation that lacked this distinction.
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> What is the problem?
>
> Andy
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> *Andy Blunden*
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> On 25/08/2019 1:00 pm, David H Kirshner wrote:
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> I’m reading a behaviorally oriented account of intrinsic and extrinsic
> motivation by authoritative authors Ryan and Deci (2000):
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> “The most basic distinction is between *intrinsic motivation*, which
> refers to doing something because it is inherently interesting or
> enjoyable, and *extrinsic motivation*, which refers to doing something
> because it leads to a separable outcome [one undertaken for instrumental
> reasons]” (p. 55).
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> This seems to me an impoverished account for a variety of reasons, most
> pressingly because it attempts to naturalize what is pleasurable or
> intrinsically motivating as inherent to the organism, without respect to
> individuals as people, engaged in socioculturally constituted life
> histories.
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> Does the construct of intrinsic / extrinsic motivation surface anywhere in
> sociocultural theory?
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> Alternatively, can anyone point me toward a sociocultural critique of the
> intrinsic / extrinsic construct?
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> David
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> Ryan R. M., & Deci E. L. (2000). Intrinsic and extrinsic motivations:
> Classic definitions and new directions. *Contemporary Educational
> Psychology, 25*, 54–67. https://doi.org/10.1006/ceps.1999.1020
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