[Xmca-l] Re: Trying to frame studies of the web through perezhivanie

[Greg Mcverry]

Thank you all,

You are getting at the theoretical sturggle I am having with describing the
web. It is both artefact and experience. My website and feed are just as
much a part of my funds of identity and a shaping of who I am than any
other experiencing I may do,

I will look at a Deweyian lens for the study. I don;'t think it would shift
my theoretical or operational approaches too much at all.

This discussion between analog and digital is fascinating. I struggle to
point out how there is a false dichotomy between online and offline and the
analog and digital split is becoming defined in pop culture as offline or
online. I believe in terms of identity development the distinction doesn't
work. Plus I hate writing "meat space" or "irl" (in real life).

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 10:48 AM Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu>
wrote:

> Hi Greg and Andy,
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> I wonder if, based on what Andy has said, is might be more worthwhile to
> focus on the Web as (Dewey’s ideas on) experience rather than perezhivaniye.
> I don’t really have a good grasp on perezhivaniye, can’t even really spell
> it.  But if you used Dewey’s ideas on experience the Web  becomes both
> artefact and event in our actions.  Dewey makes the argument multiple times
> I think that we cannot really know our tools outside of our experience in
> using them, and that in attempting to separate them we are diminishing the
> meaning of both in our lives. So I think experience actually would be a
> good way to describe what you are trying to do.
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> Oh, also another take on analog and digital.  There was a battle between
> digital and analogous in computing but my own reading of the history is
> that had more to do with how we treated how computers processed information
> and solved problems.  I believe the crux of the battle was a bit earlier
> than the 1960s.  Actually Vannevar Bush who some (me included) consider the
> father of both the Internet and the Web (well maybe a more distant father
> but the actual name web is based on one of his ideas I think, web of
> trails) was working on the idea of an analogous computer in the late
> forties. I am sure others were as well.  The difference as I understand it
> is whether we wanted to treat the processing of information as analogous
> (sort of a linear logic) where one piece of information built off another
> piece working towards an answer or whether we wanted to treat information
> as a series of yes no questions leading to a solution (digital referring to
> the use of 0 and one as yes and no, although I always mix that up.  Digital
> became dominant for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is because it
> is more precise and efficient but it is also far more limited.  I often
> wonder what would have happened if we had followed Bush’s intuition). There
> are analog and digital circuits of course, but at least in the early
> history of the computer I don’t believe that was the primary discussion in
> the use of these terms. Of course that’s just my reading.
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> Michael
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> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Andy Blunden
> *Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2018 9:46 PM
> *To:* xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Trying to frame studies of the web through
> perezhivanie
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> A few comments Greg.
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> It seems to me that the web (i.w., www, yes?) is an *artefact *not
> events; each unit is a trace of perezhivaniya not a perezhivaniye as such;
> it is important not to conflate events and artefacts; just as an historian
> has to know that what they see are traces of real events, not the events as
> such. What you do with that evidence is something again.
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> Just by-the-by, "analog" does not mean "original" or "real"; it means the
> opposite of reality. The terms "digital" and "analog" originate from the
> 1960s when there were two types of computer. Analog computers emulate
> natural processes by representing natural processes in analogous electronic
> circuits based on the calculus. In the end digital computers won an almost
> complete victory, but for example, if I'm not mistaken, the bionic ear uses
> analog computing to achieve real-time coding of speech, or at least it did
> when I knew it in the 1980s.
>
> Andy
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> Andy Blunden
> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
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> On 22/09/2018 12:57 AM, Greg Mcverry wrote:
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> Hello all,
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> I have been spending time this summer reading up on the concept of
> perezhivanie after our article discussion on identify of funds.
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> I wanted to share a draft of my theoretical perspectie for feedback.
> Granted due to word count it will probably be reduced to a paragraph or two
> with drive by citations but I am trying to think this through to inform my
> design.
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> https://checkoutmydomain.glitch.me/theoretical.html
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> -I got a little feedback but from Russian scholars in other fields
> (literature mainly)  that I missed the meaning by being too neutral and I
> needed to get at "growing from one's misery" or another person said
> "brooding over the bad stuff that happened that makes you who you are" So I
> want to make sure I capture the struggle.
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> -I am not diving into this now but I am also considering the identify and
> culture of a local web and how that plays out into how we shapes funds of
> identity as we create online spaces.
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> -Finally is applying this lens with adult learners not appropriate? What
> does it mean when you actively want to tweak the environment of learners to
> reduce experiencing as struggle and increase experience as contemplation.
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